Infinitely is actually possible in atleast one scenario. That scenario is if God created the universe, which I believe. That would mean that he could bend any laws of the universe at his whim. I'll take an example. If your a programmer then you usually have full control over the program you're making, right? Now assume this program is a computer game. Even if the player is bound by certain "laws" that the programmer has set doesn't mean that the programmer has to follow these laws. As I see it God made the laws of the universe and as such he's not bound by them, but can, as I stated before, alter them and bend them as he sees fits.
EDIT- I don't think this thread should be locked yet. It's true that you cannot explain somethings, but that doesn't mean you can't discuss it. Also, a thread should only be locked if it's silly or if it breaks any of the forum rules, and I don't think this one is silly or breaks any rules.
Originally Posted by stoog458
mabe we should just have this thread locked...some things are not explainable by our human common sense boundries. you cant break a law in a country you do not live.
EDIT- I don't think this thread should be locked yet. It's true that you cannot explain somethings, but that doesn't mean you can't discuss it. Also, a thread should only be locked if it's silly or if it breaks any of the forum rules, and I don't think this one is silly or breaks any rules.
Last edited by Chronos; Mar 7, 2008 at 09:00 PM.
Originally Posted by FNugget
GenkiSudo, what would you need as proof? What separates this proof you need from apparent anomalies of science a.k.a. "miracles"? By my idea, existence is proof enough.
A sign? hehe
There's no miracles, only good (or bad) coincidences. I see it all as a huge and complex randomness of factors and variables which can result in some interesting effects. After all its all about the math... Understanding everything is beyond our intellectual capacities, even with the aid of computers and artificial intelligence. But history tells us that Science is so far the most comprehensive look upon our existence and the way things work and change. Science gives you palpable information. God is (as long as His existence lacks of solid proof) a product of our faith. Faith is a powerful thing, yes I agree, but as long as I know, its not strong enough to materialize things, even if some claim to do it.
There is plenty of space for god, or gods, or goddesses in our faith, depending on the person. And that makes this issue very subjective, not objective. Not objective enough to provide solid ground comparable to that given by empirical scientific perspectives and experimentation. In science one thing needs observation and solid evidence before being taken as true/real.
So... Thank god I'm an atheist.
hehe
Originally Posted by Chronos
Infinitely is actually possible in atleast one scenario. That scenario is if God created the universe, which I believe. That would mean that he could bend any laws of the universe at his whim. I'll take an example. If your a programmer then you usually have full control over the program you're making, right? Now assume this program is a computer game. Even if the player is bound by certain "laws" that the programmer has set doesn't mean that the programmer has to follow these laws. As I see it God made the laws of the universe and as such he's not bound by them, but can, as I stated before, alter them and bend them as he sees fits.
Well.. but the programmer has no control on the nature of the program development capability limits, as well as other computational capabilities... Which are, as you might know, limited.
And so.. even the programmer is somehow limited to some basic universal laws, expandable through times, yes, but always limited.
Last edited by GenkiSudo; Mar 7, 2008 at 09:11 PM.
Reason: Double post.
"There is enough on earth for everybody's need, but not for everyone's greed." - Mohandas Gandhi
Then please tell what solid proof they have found regarding evolution that I haven't seen?
That's true, in an ideal world that is, but sadly this is not an ideal world and humans are biased most of the time and that means some theories are bound to be biased, even if they are scientifically studied. So science is only as good as the scientists.
I only used the programmer analogy because it was easy to understand. Obviously, the universe is not like a computer programme. And tell me, if God created the universe and it's law, then how could he be limited to them?
Originally Posted by GenkiSudo
In science one thing needs observation and solid evidence before being taken as true/real.
That's true, in an ideal world that is, but sadly this is not an ideal world and humans are biased most of the time and that means some theories are bound to be biased, even if they are scientifically studied. So science is only as good as the scientists.
Well.. but the programmer has no control on the nature of the program development capability limits, as well as other computational capabilities... Which are, as you might know, limited.
And so.. even the programmer is somehow limited to basic universal laws, expandable through times, yes, but always limited.
I only used the programmer analogy because it was easy to understand. Obviously, the universe is not like a computer programme. And tell me, if God created the universe and it's law, then how could he be limited to them?
Last edited by Chronos; Mar 7, 2008 at 09:14 PM.
But the program contains everything. It is all that exists. So it must contain the programmer. How do you write an everything program when it doesnt contain everything?
I think the word "created" might have been a slight mistranslation. It's hard to describe. Let's use dry ice. Does dry ice create CO2 smoke?
I think the word "created" might have been a slight mistranslation. It's hard to describe. Let's use dry ice. Does dry ice create CO2 smoke?
