Originally Posted by Takkrala
i completly agree with gorman on this subject.
Gorman was playing Devil's advocate and clearly struggling, that you'd agree is astonishing.
Originally Posted by Takkrala
i watched the whole vid and didnt even remotely care. theyll die anyway, so whats the point in caring if they die soon enough?
Brb, hitting a terminally ill child in the face. Just because they're dying soon doesn't mean making their lives even worse is acceptable.
Originally Posted by Takkrala
(wasnt a question. so dont answer it.)
Haha, yes it was.
Originally Posted by Takkrala
point is, either the whole world has to care and stop eating meat.
or, all of you should just face these things happen.
Do you honestly believe half the cruelty in that video was needed or wanted by most meat-eaters?
"It happens often so we shouldn't care" is also pretty dumb.
Keep enjoying that steak people!
This video isn't an argument for vegetarianism, it's an argument against slaughterhouse procedure. This should be obvious.
@Fee: lol, the only reasons to support inhumane slaughterhouse practices are cheap meat, the idea that we can and should act like base animals that actually need to bite their prey to death, and the silly concept that if they're dying soon it's okay.
The industry's never going to change because "we kill our animals humanely" is hardly a marketing point likely to strike a chord in the public's heart. Especially since the public doesn't even buy from them, grocery stores and restaurants do.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne
Gorman was playing Devil's advocate and clearly struggling, that you'd agree is astonishing.
Now now Boredpayne, just because I said what I said under that pretext does not make the points any less valid.
If you cannot successfully counter the points that you so clearly think are poor, then really whose fault is it?
There is certainly no need to insult anyone over it.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne
Brb, hitting a terminally ill child in the face. Just because they're dying soon doesn't mean making their lives even worse is acceptable.
Hoi hoi, a human life is worth far more than an animals.
From a legal standpoint it is worth more, from a moral standpoint it is worth more, from a social standpoint it is worth more. I am not sure how you could think that an animal is equal to a human.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne
Haha, yes it was.
Do you honestly believe half the cruelty in that video was needed or wanted by most meat-eaters?
"It happens often so we shouldn't care" is also pretty dumb.
This video isn't an argument for vegetarianism, it's an argument against slaughterhouse procedure. This should be obvious.
Once again hoi hoi, I don't agree with senseless violence on any level. However, going out of your way to stun a cow before slaughtering it is just as needless. I can't submit to going out of ones way to cause violence, or going out of ones way to make things more comfortable for a doomed animal. Even if you dress the cow in the finest silk and give it a last meal of caviar and sea-grass, at the end of the day it is going to die.
"It happens often so we shouldn't care" is a perfectly valid argument. Would you want to live near a volcano? Or in an earthquake prone area? Of course if you are given the choice in this manner you say no. Yet, many volcanoes have entire cities in their shadow and many fault lines have just as much. Seeing it like this may shock you, but I can garauntee that with every passing second the shock is draining away, soon enough you will understand it is normal.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne
lol, the only reasons to support inhumane slaughterhouse practices are cheap meat, the idea that we can and should act like base animals that actually need to bite their prey to death, and the silly concept that if they're dying soon it's okay.
What is more important, humans or animals?
The answer is so obvious that it hurts me to even inform you, the answer is 'humans'. If we cause some 'inhumane' acts upon animals just to get a decent meal, then so be it. Even if you dress the cow in the finest silk and give it a last meal of caviar and sea-grass, at the end of the day it is going to die.
The simple truth is that these animals live only so they can die for us. Their pain and suffering is inconsequential. The only reason to treat them more 'humanely' (it seems humorous to keep saying 'humane' when we are talking about animals who were born and raised only so we could slaughter them and eat their flesh, but I will continue to humour you) is if the slaughterhouse staff feel that for their needs they want to treat them differently. No one could object to a worker saying they don't want to hear the last screams of a dieing animal. Apart from that, do what you will for my meat.
Last edited by Gorman; May 4, 2011 at 07:20 AM.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne
Gorman was playing Devil's advocate and clearly struggling, that you'd agree is astonishing.
Brb, hitting a terminally ill child in the face. Just because they're dying soon doesn't mean making their lives even worse is acceptable.
Not at all like hitting a child, a child has emotion. Plus the even if you argue it doesn't, its parents or care takers have the emotional need to care for it. and even if you say so do animal parents, real parents have repercussions in our society, cows, don't.
Haha, yes it was.
Do you honestly believe half the cruelty in that video was needed or wanted by most meat-eaters?
"It happens often so we shouldn't care" is also pretty dumb.
This video isn't an argument for vegetarianism, it's an argument against slaughterhouse procedure. This should be obvious.
Imma agree with you on this
@Fee: lol, the only reasons to support inhumane slaughterhouse practices are cheap meat, the idea that we can and should act like base animals that actually need to bite their prey to death, and the silly concept that if they're dying soon it's okay.
Cheap Meat yes to fill consumer needs for an economy that is sustainable. If no one bought meat we would lose an obscene amount of money. Its okay to kill them because they taste good and yeah who cares if they have a good life if people still buy it(even indirectly as you said), then they will mass produce it.
The industry's never going to change because "we kill our animals humanely" is hardly a marketing point likely to strike a chord in the public's heart. Especially since the public doesn't even buy from them, grocery stores and restaurants do. I agree, but it doesn't need to change.
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