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because:
i prefer sad truth to joy lies.
i prefer to rely on my own instead of god.
i belive that our life should be based on rationality
(quick example: person sacrifised a cow in wrong time of week and he is criminal, because he did it in wrong day. While he should be criminal for sacrifising animal instead of using it for food. same goes about rites and other crap )

i belive that religion is the worst enemy of humanity, since wars may be waged for some utter religious crap, instead of economic aspects, where it's understandable and logic.

i belive we should think and act for ourselves instead of belief in some god that will lead us to glory and we will live better.

i belive that we people should take control of ourselves based on logic and rationality. "play god" and do whatever we feel necessary, since it's all up to us. while religious people stop the progress and stick outdated morals and norms that outlived itself.
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~referencing Dark Souls in suicidal threads since 13/01/15
I am a catholic person, and I make my own decisions, I act for myself, but yet I still believe in a god. Will he lead me to glory, no, I will have to do that on my own, but does that mean he does not exist, because I made my own decisions.

You said you do not believe in god because religion controls our lives. If you are religious you can not think logically and rationally, if that is the case I would like it explained a little more, and if I am incorrect, you can correct me.
A hasbeen like the rest
Originally Posted by snake View Post
stop jerking around. i asked you 2 questions:

Originally Posted by snake View Post
now stop these worthless excuses and answer these 2 question. i don't need anything else from you now. when i will need something else, i will ask.

stop attacking and targeting him.
youre being a dick.

Any answer we give you will result in either Gorman attacking us and calling us weak, or marcus and yourself laughing at us and saying that you were right.

I cannot explain why I need God because I dont know, and i dont expect the majority of Christian population on the forum to understand either.
I dont need to, I just do.

Im bored of the 3 or 4 of you trying to win, rather than trying to have a discussion.

Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
Given enough knowledge on how the brain works, it would be possible to fully program sentient beings such as ourselves.

Ultron cannot be stopped, he is smarter than all of us.
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Originally Posted by snake View Post
about religion and moral values, please read "on agression" moral also come from our animal origin, so it's clearly not like god or religion or people invented morals.

we are social animals etc thats part of our nature

Never said that religion/people invented morals.

Clearly didn't say that, actually.

It was your choice to ignore the rest of it, and think I'm making a case for religion.
Hoss.
If you believe in god watch this and if you do not believe in god watch this. type in

on youtube zeitgeist, and watch the first part. It is all about disproving religion, the

second part is about 9/11, and the third part is about the new world and the leaders.

Since this is a religion topic thread, I figured it would be interesting to bring this up,

and to anyone who has seen this you know what I am talking about. It is a good

educational video to watch.
A hasbeen like the rest
I'm atheist because I like to be prepared for the worst possible outcome at any given time. I'm quite educated in Christianity because I debate about it with a friend, so the only thing that's keeping me back is sufficient proof. Some people believe in God because there's no drawbacks to believing in a God, you would only benefit if it happens to be true. If it's wrong, then nothing changes.
I am not going to try and change your mind about religion, because it is your own belief. If you do not want to believe in god then don't, if you do there should be nothing holding you back.
A hasbeen like the rest
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow View Post
However you are not using logical inference, as I said before, you are ignoring basic logic and committing logical fallacies.

Your argument is not an attempt to prove that the existence of God beyond a reasonable doubt, it is merely a delusional extension of the confirmation bias. You want God to exist, therefore in your mind you are making coherent arguments. But to any outside observers, you are just patting yourself on the back with circular arguments and fallacies.

No one in this thread has presented arguments for God's existence. I am not trying to do that. I simply wanted to shed light on those saying, "give me proof of God's existence." This thread is not Water Cooler, it is not about arguments for and against God's existence. It's mostly about the place of religion in society.

This is not a court of law. You are not a prosecutor trying to prove God's existence. You have not made any logical arguments to warrant the assertion of the existence of God. And even if you had, this is not a question of "is it possible for God to exist", there is a question of "does God exist".

Your most coherent argument is doxa, you said so yourself. Using doxa as fact is a logical fallacy. Ergo, you have no legs to stand on.


Once again, there is no point trying to assert that God exists if your only argument is a logical fallacy. It is neither logical nor reasonable nor proven that God exists, please stop acting as if it is.

No, I have no made assertions of God's existence. I have simply said that there can be no empirical evidence for or against the existence of God and that the most proof we can muster for or against God's existence is in the form of metaphysical philosophy, which in itself is only doxa knowledge, or informed opinions based on logical inferences and arguments. I don't believe I'm acting as if God exists and I don't know where you're getting the feeling that I am acting that way.
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