I very much agree with Hyde on this one. It is not just the woman's body when a baby is involved, she has the responsibility to maintain the life of what she's created. Whether it was a roll in the hay, to complete incompetence, she has the moral obligation of having the child whether she likes it or not because that child is entitled to life just like everybody else, and to say otherwise is hypocrisy.
Originally Posted by Hyde
Let me tell you why that argument is absolute garbage:
A sovereign being has its' own body and aborting it is essentially killing it, nothing to do with the woman's body other than removing the baby which wouldn't be there in the first place if the person was responsible enough to use birth control.
Go tell a pregnant woman pregnancy has nothing to do with her body, she'll either laugh your face off or hate you deeply.
Also, birth control is another subject. Sure birth control and proper sexual education would be great as it would prevent a lot of abortions, physical and psychological pain for the would-have-been mother, and be less expensive overhaul ; but it's not the case presently, some people aren't properly educated and some aren't born in a social environment who doesn't responsibilize them on those matters, and some people make mistakes etc... The question is weather or not it is ok to force someone to go through a pregnancy she didn't want and have a child she doesn't want either ; meaning consciously putting another child in the already crowded "adoption circuit".
A foetus that has not been born yet is not a baby. It's not human yet.
How dare men masturbate they are wasting potential human lives! Ovulation cycle is there so you pop out as many children as you possibly can otherwise you're murdering the potential children. /s
How can you claim a feotus is a fully aware baby?
How dare men masturbate they are wasting potential human lives! Ovulation cycle is there so you pop out as many children as you possibly can otherwise you're murdering the potential children. /s
How can you claim a feotus is a fully aware baby?
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Originally Posted by deprav
Go tell a pregnant woman pregnancy has nothing to do with her body, she'll either laugh your face off or hate you deeply.
Your guide to morality is "whatever women tell me"?
This is the fallacy known as "appeal to authority", except your authority is pregnant women - which aren't exactly known to be rational or logical thinkers lol.
Why should pregnant women be allowed to dictate abortion law? If I have a ferrari am I allowed to dictate traffic law? If I have a gun can I dictate firearm law? It's a nonsense argument.
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Originally Posted by meow
A foetus that has not been born yet is not a baby. It's not human yet.
How dare men masturbate they are wasting potential human lives! Ovulation cycle is there so you pop out as many children as you possibly can otherwise you're murdering the potential children. /s
How can you claim a feotus is a fully aware baby?
1 day old babies aren't exactly fully aware either. When a pregnant woman feels a kick, guess why that happens? It isn't because the fetus twitched. Full awareness doesn't really develop until late infancy, full cognitive function takes a long time to fully develop. Why do you think babies can't instantly talk? Why isn't a fetus human? It has human DNA. Again, quit it with the potential strawman crap, potential isn't something tangible that can be argued. Ovulation cycles are there so you CAN pop out as many children as you want, just like sex with no birth control has a good chance to get you pregnant. The point is responsibility. No one wants to get an abortion, abortions aren't fun or pleasant. Abortion should be fully legal, but it should absolutely never be the first choice. The best way to stave people off of abortion is to freely educate people and provide free birth control. Abortion should be the very last solution in consideration.
Originally Posted by deprav
Go tell a pregnant woman pregnancy has nothing to do with her body, she'll either laugh your face off or hate you deeply.
Go tell a guy who got cancer from tanning himself 50 times a day for lols he shouldn't have done it. He'll either laugh your face off or hate you deeply. Accountability is more important than people's feelings, because if you cater to feelings instead of solid, tangible concepts like responsibility you have a thoroughly broken system.
Also, birth control is another subject. Sure birth control and proper sexual education would be great as it would prevent a lot of abortions, physical and psychological pain for the would-have-been mother, and be less expensive overhaul ; but it's not the case presently, some people aren't properly educated and some aren't born in a social environment who doesn't responsibilize them on those matters, and some people make mistakes etc... A problem that should be fixed as soon as possible for the sake of everyone. Again, abortions are not pleasant in the least, they are awful in any light. The question is weather or not it is ok to force someone to go through a pregnancy she didn't want and have a child she doesn't want either No, but those people should be forcibly educated about their choices ahead of time so they aren't in that situation to begin with.; meaning consciously putting another child in the already crowded "adoption circuit"Another serious problem that should be fixed.
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