Originally Posted by SmallBowl
Military age =/= in the military.
There is conscription in Syria. Military age men are either in the military or are deserting. I just realized you don't have the slightest idea of how the world works, please, just grab a book or something.
I don't really know much about the situations the could be refugees are facing in the middle east, but I feel like you are treating cowardice as having a worse meaning than it does. Not being willing to die for the greater good, and fleeing as far away as possible to a country where you aren't wanted or needed could fit the definition of a coward.
I would probably do the same, and I feel like a lot of my friends probably would as well I don't really mind that. Obviously I'm a little doubtful that shooting people trying to illegally cross the border is the right think to do, but again, I don't understand the situation in the middle east, so I can't really argue either way.
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If you could try to hold back on insulting those who disagree with you, then you might actually be able to persuade some people that you are not a hypocritical, blood thirsty, social darwinian fascist and actually advance the discussion. Please don't antagonise people for not knowing something that you do. If we all knew the same things as each other then we would not have to discuss why we think what we do because it would be almost entirely identical save for small philosophical differences.
I would probably do the same, and I feel like a lot of my friends probably would as well I don't really mind that. Obviously I'm a little doubtful that shooting people trying to illegally cross the border is the right think to do, but again, I don't understand the situation in the middle east, so I can't really argue either way.
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Originally Posted by ynvaser
There is conscription in Syria. Military age men are either in the military or are deserting. I just realized you don't have the slightest idea of how the world works, please, just grab a book or something.
If you could try to hold back on insulting those who disagree with you, then you might actually be able to persuade some people that you are not a hypocritical, blood thirsty, social darwinian fascist and actually advance the discussion. Please don't antagonise people for not knowing something that you do. If we all knew the same things as each other then we would not have to discuss why we think what we do because it would be almost entirely identical save for small philosophical differences.
Last edited by Zelda; Apr 13, 2016 at 09:18 PM.
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Originally Posted by ynvaser
There is conscription in Syria. Military age men are either in the military or are deserting. I just realized you don't have the slightest idea of how the world works, please, just grab a book or something.
There was 1 innacuracy in my post, does that make my point invalid? No, since it was the most minor part of my argument. Does it make you any more in the right, or make your position any less disgraceful in terms of morals and actually feeling empathy towards other humans? No. Does it make me not shocked at your total disregard of others free will and human rights? No.
Instead of picking out innacurracies that link to only a tiny amount of the post and not answering the point I was making, which is that refugees are in a horrible position and have every right to leave the country, and in doing so take their families to safety.
And youre not in a position to tell anyone how the world works since you boldly made an entrance to this thread by saying "Kill the migrants" - meaning indiscriminantly. You genuinely suggested that a parrallel to genocide was the solution to the issue.
Last edited by SmallBowl; Apr 14, 2016 at 01:13 AM.
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl
There was 1 innacuracy in my post, does that make my point invalid?
But that is your entire argument!
They are running away from a war they are lawfully obligated to fight in. It makes all the points you make which boil down to "boohoo poor refugees" null and void.
In every society, people have rights and duties. You have no rights if you run away from your duties.
In wartime, punishment for desertion is death, even in some Western countries.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl
Does it make you any more in the right, or make your position any less disgraceful in terms of morals and actually feeling empathy towards other humans?
There is no place for empathy when it comes to global events. You have to put aside your individualism for the good of the many. The 20-something scum you see pouring over the fences are either here to kill people or because they are cowards. I couldn't give two less shits about their feelings, and I'd rather see them dead if it means we catch ISIS's sleeper agents. The ones that have nothing to hide (eg. fathers with their families) will come and apply for refuge through official channels. Although they should have done that in Greece, not halfway through the Schengen Zone in Hungary or Austria.
I believe I gave proper counter-points to the argument you keep trying to make in this post and the previous ones. You can't justify any of the things these people are doing. You being shocked by a down-to-earth opinion is your own problem, not a proper counter-argument.
Originally Posted by Zelda
Not being willing to die for the greater good, and fleeing as far away as possible to a country where you aren't wanted or needed could fit the definition of a coward.
I would probably do the same, and I feel like a lot of my friends probably would as well I don't really mind that.
Yeah, you'd have a tough time if you ran into cops along the way, or if your target country decided to deport you home (what the Hungarian government is doing with illegal border crossers).
Last edited by ynvaser; Apr 14, 2016 at 01:10 PM.
Originally Posted by ynvaser
But that is your entire argument!
They are running away from a war they are lawfully obligated to fight in. It makes all the points you make which boil down to "boohoo poor refugees" null and void.
In every society, people have rights and duties. You have no rights if you run away from your duties.
In wartime, punishment for desertion is death, even in some Western countries.
There is no place for empathy when it comes to global events. You have to put aside your individualism for the good of the many. The 20-something scum you see pouring over the fences are either here to kill people or because they are cowards. I couldn't give two less shits about their feelings, and I'd rather see them dead if it means we catch ISIS's sleeper agents. The ones that have nothing to hide (eg. fathers with their families) will come and apply for refuge through official channels. Although they should have done that in Greece, not halfway through the Schengen Zone in Hungary or Austria.
I believe I gave proper counter-points to the argument you keep trying to make in this post and the previous ones. You can't justify any of the things these people are doing. You being shocked by a down-to-earth opinion is your own problem, not a proper counter-argument.
Yeah, you'd have a tough time if you ran into cops along the way, or if your target country decided to deport you home (what the Hungarian government is doing with illegal border crossers).
Are you sure you know what a human right is?
There is absolutely always room for empathy, its interesting that you seem to be disagreeing with all the global leaders, with the exception of perhaps Trump (Edit: Yes I know he is a presidential candidate not a president yet - before you decide to JUST pick out this part of the post and ignore the rest, but the point stands) who is being increasingly shown to be Hitler's parallel. You have no conception of the place these people have left, who are you to decide they should have thrown their lives away meaninglessly? Why should they want to throw themselves to their death? Seems pretty rational to not want to imo. I guess you see differently and think they should all just run mindlessly to their death.
You did not give proper counter points, what you gave was a fascist regime comparable to genocide with no regard for human rights or human life.
And if you seriously think your argument of killing all the migrants is "down to Earth" you need rethink your view of what that phrase means.
Last edited by SmallBowl; Apr 14, 2016 at 02:42 PM.
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" and pretend to have the moral high ground. I don't think you have the moral high ground, is that the counter-point you'd like to hear?