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Originally Posted by EpicFailGuy View Post
To value something is to care about it.

I'm pretty sure animals are afraid of death as well, therefor they value their life.

If you are going to try and hurt something it will fight back until it can't possibly move anymore, that is the organisms way of getting out of the situation, avoiding the pain and avoiding the possibility of death.

You're natural instincts are to defend yourself, to defend your life.

To keep living.

i never knew efg had so much compassion
Originally Posted by EpicFailGuy View Post
An organism that is capable of emotions and thought cannot survive at all, if it doesn't possess the will to live.

The 'will' you speak of is biological and is basic instinct, completely independent of thought or emotion.
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We are all of the same material and we all co-exist on this planet together.

souls do not play as a factor in this discussion as you cannot say what or who does not have a soul.



Originally Posted by Murmayder View Post
The 'will' you speak of is biological and is basic instinct, completely independent of thought or emotion.

It is a basic instinct yes, but if the animal wanted to die it would give up and let the predator or killer end their life before it tried fighting back, unless it is not aware of the impending danger of the attacker.
Last edited by EpicFailGuy; Mar 13, 2010 at 05:44 AM.
Originally Posted by EpicFailGuy View Post
We are all of the same material and we all co-exist on this planet together.

souls do not play as a factor in this discussion as you cannot say what or who does not have a soul.





It is a basic instinct yes, but if the animal wanted to die it would give up and let the predator or killer end their life before it tried fighting back, unless it is not aware of the impending danger of the attacker.

Animals don't make conscious decisions about whether or not they would 'like' to live. They live and make sure that they try their hardest to stay alive in order to further the species. They do not just get upset and kill themselves.
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This video was not real to me tho the place they were at didn't really want dogs because they were considered as a pest but still makes me sad when a animal is murdered or just died. But thats called life once its done nothing can change it. well of course you have a time machine that can also transport you .
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OMG THIS ASSHOLE!!

no rly that is awful. what an idiot. if it dies on itself it died naturly, but not this way!!!
lets find this guy and throw him from a cliff.
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Originally Posted by Murmayder View Post
Animals don't make conscious decisions about whether or not they would 'like' to live. They live and make sure that they try their hardest to stay alive in order to further the species. They do not just get upset and kill themselves.

I believe you're wrong. Animals do indeed protect their best interest in staying alive. Not only themselves, but also the ones around them. Look at dogs for example. If you have a dog he will protect you if someone adopts an aggressive stance towards you. They establish social links with you and other people.
Its not just about reproduction. Animals like comfort, like adventure, and, depending on the species and/or individual, they usually don't like stressful atmospheres. Of course they make decisions in their own interest!

About getting upset and killing themselves... I've seen how elephants get away from the herd, intentionally, to die. There's also many animals that literally give up by not eating, drinking and so on. But of course, most of them do this only when they're sick.
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Poor puppy. =(

Hope that guy got some /b/ justice like the russian guy did.
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