i would say that some people don't believe this because people just believe in science more about the big bang Ќ.Ќ ....

some start not to believe in God because if they are praying for someone that dyeing and then God does not help this will lead into disbelief. another thing is that if God was existed then he would not make murders and bad people but the arguments about that the world can not be as perfect as you think there has to be a bad thing everywhere.

some people just believe that the big bang was caused by science not God but people say that the big bang had to be at the right temperature, right time and the right place if the temperature was a degree lower the universe would have collapsed but if a degree higher the explosion would have been so big that is would have scattered around the universe.

some people believe in different arguments but i believe that God made the universe.

there is an argument about God who is God and who made him. the confuses people and lead them into disbelief. because people question the question about who made God.

thats a good point because it means that people say that this is why we don not believe in God because no one was there to make him.

that what i think about this.

Let me tell you all, I do NOT know if god exists...I don't believe him though.

But One thing for sure, If God exists...He is the most cruelest person of all...

He gave us lives, He gave us Emotions, He gave us nature, He gave us brain, He gave us selfishness, he gave us kindness, he gave us betrayal.

He Created humans, He threw them on earth and observed from above...laughed at them when they were killing each other...Laughed at them when they pitifully try to struggle against the power of nature, he Laughed at them when they died...

He made us to enjoy us, Just like watching a god damned serial on TV where murders and stuff like that is common...He watches us from above.

The Saying "If god himself gives so much pain, then what is Devil there for?" is what I think truest of all.

Malachi 2 : 3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

Just thought I'd leave a Bible quote here

And any Christians here should probably look at this, and then try and say that the Bible has no contradictions:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.co...a/by_name.html

Skipping basically all the third page to repost this.

This is thread is misnamed. You aren't attacking the idea of a God as a Creator at all. You are attacking Christianity.

Free will: irrelevant.
Evil: irrelevant.
God's Will: If existent, beyond understanding.
Physical minds: This is fucking stupid. If God exists our rules at explaining the universe are all wrong anyway. It's also ridiculous to assume that God is necessarily in a form we can understand or perceive.
Empirical Evidence: irrelevant.

God
Evidence against: 0
Evidence for: 0

And then there's the part where you say something like "oh aha, Clbck, I am more clever than you. You see, I am a very very rational human being, and since there is no evidence for God (JUST LIKE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE FOR AN INVISIBLE MAGIC DRAGON), I will assume he doesn't exist."

You may be wondering what I define as God if not the entity that my ancestors worshiped. God is not nearly so complicated as you would like to make him sound. He does not need to cause miracles or flood the earth. God need only have one purpose: The establishment of existence. Science hasn't figured out why we exist at all. We don't know how the big bang started, or the reason the universe is as it is. We have not traced the universe to it's source. When we have done that, I will be satisfied. Then you can say, "Clbck, science has confirmed it. It's true, you nazi son of a bitch. God is dead, and you have killed him."

I feel fucking dirty for posting in this thread. Seriously, I felt this way too at one point. Then I got out of 10th grade.

Well, we could say god controls everything and there is no human freedom. What if god is just bored character with idea of having fun by animals you think they can think. Choosing some drama like odlov is trying to write that he doesn't belive in god - this is how we could think of god being uterly perfect and controlling everything.

Then we start thinking... that there is more than one relegion, aye? So is "god" (father, son and holy spirit) actuly the mighty one or is it buddha? Really confusing 'cos we sudenly realise there is thousands of imagination friends for adults what they need for shouting theirself that everything is alright.

As if people ask "do you belive in god, sir?" - I mostly answer: "I do belive there may be higher power beyond our imagination, but I don't belive in your god."

I don't really care about god. Because if he/she/it is somewhere up there. He doesn't really give a shit what is happening here.

ps. forgive my poor grammar and lack of holding back.

Wait, so why not just call it "whatever created the universe" and move on? Why get so worked up over it? You seem to realize that there's no evidence for either one, but then you start raging about a creator God. Who cares if there is? It has no effect on our lives anyway.

This just seems to reinforce the idea that there are angry Christians, angry atheists, angry agnostics and angry deists. It's the anger that makes a creed look silly.

1. I'm not quoting xkcd and I don't read webcomics (you can ask anyone what I think about webcomics).

2. Science would not exist without emotion ergo what you say is void as all scientists when they propose a theory (and much of science is theoretical or at least interrelated with another theory), they are putting forth their opinion.

If you don't understand the point of God beyond enforcing moral rules I don't know what to say you to. It sort of does make a difference if we were, you know, created at some level. It changes the frame with which we view the world. The existence or nonexistence of a God completely changes some pretty fundamental things about who we are in the universe as well as why things are the way they are and what happens when we die. I understand that you guys don't like to look past morality, but come on.

Why get worked up over it? Because fuckwit atheists and theists are annoying as hell and this was a shitty, ill-conceived thread.

morals are man made concepts to protect himself against others...god is just a name used to enforce them

I made it clear right in the first paragraph what this thread was about. It was meant to present arguments against Abrahamic god, not some vague deistic deity. Is questioning things called "attacking" around here?


Why shouldn't we?



Baww, now i have to glue my shattered ego together


PS: anyhow, since few people besides Reanimator, Squiziph and hxc actually tried to refute my arguments, I'll close this for now. Otherwise some people's heads may start exploding from rage.