HTOTM: FUSION
Said nothing about it being hard, let's keep the discussion centered around the 9.11 plot. I take my meat and I play with it.
Originally Posted by Mister616 View Post
Ahem. What points?
That I'm a science minded person?
I'm an athiest. There are not many people who are as scientifically minded as athiests. Do you know why? Because we have never seen ANY evidence EVER that proves that there is a god. You, on the other hand, completely dismiss an eye-witness account. The firefighter was in the damn wreckage. He saw the metal, THERE ARE PHOTOS ON THE WEBSITE of the firefighters gathered around the hole.

As for eyewitness accounts regarding the Pentagon attack:
As Doublefort had previously stated, the FBI confiscated all video footage that recorded the impact on The Pentagon.
Therefore, all we have to rely upon ARE eyewitness accounts.


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Might I say that, for a scientifically minded atheist, your grammar is HORRIBLE.
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Originally Posted by Mister616 View Post
Fine. You people want proof?

Five to six days after 9/11, pools of molten metal were found beneath the towers. Five to six days.

Now, everyone says that the support beams in the towers did not have to break or melt, only bend. Because jetfuel will not burn hot enought to melt structural steel. So they say that it bent and snapped.

So why the molten metal? If the jet fuel was only hot enough to bend the steel, why did it melt? Why did the 9/11 commision report not even mention the molten metal?

Don't tell me that there wasn't any.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/nov...1106molten.htm

This man was THERE. He was a firefighter at Ground Zero.
Watch his video.

Thank you. I offer no explanation as to why the fires burned for weeks after the collapse. That said, are we positive that it was melted steel and not melted aluminum alloys from the plane? Furthermore,

Originally Posted by NIST
Under certain circumstances it is conceivable for some of the steel in the wreckage to have melted after the buildings collapsed. Any molten steel in the wreckage was more likely due to the high temperature resulting from long exposure to combustion within the pile than to short exposure to fires or explosions while the buildings were standing.

Originally Posted by Clbck View Post
Thank you. I offer no explanation as to why the fires burned for weeks after the collapse. That said, are we positive that it was melted steel and not melted aluminum alloys from the plane? Furthermore,

I fail to see how alloys from the plane could burn for weeks underground. There was no oxygen under there.
I'd like to see Hulk get so pissed that he exits his physical body.
Instead of being powered by psychic energy or whatever, he's powered by ARRRGH FUCK YOU
Originally Posted by Mister616 View Post
I fail to see how alloys from the plane could burn for weeks underground. There was no oxygen under there.

You don't need oxygen for heat to be present. A crayon will melt if it is exposed to temperatures just above 128 degrees, regardless if oxygen is present or not. The same concept can be applied to metal.
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Originally Posted by Faolan View Post
You don't need oxygen for heat to be present. A crayon will melt if it is exposed to temperatures just above 128 degrees, regardless if oxygen is present or not. The same concept can be applied to metal.

No, how did the plane GET underground in the first place? How could the alloys from it stay intact when concrete was reduced to powder?

The reason I cited the lack of oxygen is because the firefighters did. Another intersting thing that they found beneath towers was an object dubbed 'the meteorite'.

It is a lump of steel literally fused to a lump of concrete.
Fused, meaning it is another material entirely.

It is scientifically impossible to fuse concrete to steel with burning jet fuel.
Thermite, on the other hand, needs no oxygen supply, as it has its own. It is used for demolishing buildings. It is used for cutting through structural steel.
A coloumn at Ground Zero was found with a perfect 45 degree angle cut, just like in a controlled demolition.
I'd like to see Hulk get so pissed that he exits his physical body.
Instead of being powered by psychic energy or whatever, he's powered by ARRRGH FUCK YOU
Hehe sorry for the typos Juntalis. Anyways, for Atheists to just have a one-track mind of no higher being at all and not willing to compromise is just i don't know how to say this without being retarded oh fuck it the no child left behind act and sleepiness is getting to me. It's dumb and rather i would keep an open mind to any new ideas. *passes out*
Hey, Atheists are not 'wrong' in the fact that they believe there is no god, however there is always a higher being than you (someone stronger, smarter etc).

I'm with Juntalis on this, so far he's given you all irrefutable evidence and you just give him bullshit and when he tries to explain you give him more bullshit.
Christmas Ghost Humans do not value their existence.
Originally Posted by Mister616 View Post
It is a lump of steel literally fused to a lump of concrete.
Fused, meaning it is another material entirely.

It is scientifically impossible to fuse concrete to steel with burning jet fuel.

Take some time to read the damn thread and use some common sense. Jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning. The Twin Towers were offices, meaning they had paper, and lots of it. Wood can burn at pretty high temperatures, and when combined with other flamable objects (such as the gasoline in the cars of the underground parking garage, people seemed to have forgoten about that, as well as surrounding vehicles), you can get some pretty intense heat. And also stated above, the aluminum alloys from the plane. Aluminum melts at a fairly low temperature compared to other metals, so it could have easily "welded" some metal and concrete together.
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