HTOTM: FUSION
Originally Posted by liltay1426 View Post
and as your talking you would fit in with these workers "Besides that, what does it matter if some dumb animal feels some pain in the moments before it's death?" would you feel the same way if it was a person "Besides that, what does it matter if some dumb person feels some pain in the moments before it's death?"

Yeah pretty much. I don't really care what happens to someone before they die so long as it doesn't effect the rest of us.

But like I said, if people that are going to live are going to be distressed by it then you should try avoid it.

Why should I care?



I ate bacon tonight and I loved it. Dominant species eating lesser species. Problem?
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, But alot of the people in this video have actually been arrested and/or charged for animal abuse. The video has a very political-type approach, By showing you only what they want you to see, Twisting the videos acting as if all meat industries do this. The guy who stomped the calf's head in got charged for about $500,000 (About $850 per bone he broke). The guy who was hanging pigs on the forklift was arrested for 4 years. The guy who was charged 500 grand was also the one who was throwing chicks into the blenders.

Even if the entire video was true, These weren't people who were trying to brainwash us, And nobody was punished, I still would eat meat because these animals were bred specifically for eating and killing purposes, Not to live a life. And as many have said, Superior defeats inferior.
I have to disagree. Broadly speaking, there are two approaches to the issue. The animal welfare position holds that there is nothing inherently wrong with using animals for human purposes, such as food, clothing, entertainment, and research, but that it should be done in a humane way that minimizes unnecessary pain and suffering. Animal rights theorists criticize this position, arguing that the words "unnecessary" and "humane" are subject to widely differing interpretations, and that the only way to ensure protection for animals is to end their status as property, and to ensure that they are never used as commodities. Laws concerning animal cruelty are designed to prevent needless cruelty to animals, rather than killing for other aims such as food, or they concern species not eaten as food in the country involved, such as those regarded as pets.
Originally Posted by Leaph View Post
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, But alot of the people in this video have actually been arrested and/or charged for animal abuse. The video has a very political-type approach, By showing you only what they want you to see, Twisting the videos acting as if all meat industries do this. The guy who stomped the calf's head in got charged for about $500,000 (About $850 per bone he broke). The guy who was hanging pigs on the forklift was arrested for 4 years. The guy who was charged 500 grand was also the one who was throwing chicks into the blenders.

Even if the entire video was true, These weren't people who were trying to brainwash us, And nobody was punished, I still would eat meat because these animals were bred specifically for eating and killing purposes, Not to live a life. And as many have said, Superior defeats inferior.

The video states that the hanging of pigs and chicks in the blender are accepted practices. I also know for a fact the farmer who stomped the calf was charged a fraction of that amount. If you are going to make ridiculous claims provide sources, alternatively don't bother posting. Consider this a warning.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unle...ver-video.html

Sorry, I got the figure wrong. It's $750 for each act. Happy now? And, He was also charged for numerous torture acts. And as I said, The video has a political approach, Only saying what is wanted to be said, And only showing what is wanted to be shown. Thus making the viewer on their side. The video mentions they are accepted practices, But where's their source? By showing a video of animal abusers and claiming that all meat industries allow such things is ludacris, Could be absolute bullshit.
So, My claim wasn't ridiculous, I provided my source, So I'll bother posting.
Last edited by Leaph; May 12, 2011 at 10:41 AM.
this is absolutely horrible i really hate how animals are mistreated and would gladly try to stop it

also i love bacon and wont stop eating it but i wouldnt feel right to kill the pig then eat it knowing what it was like when it was alive
Originally Posted by Leaph View Post
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, But alot of the people in this video have actually been arrested and/or charged for animal abuse. The video has a very political-type approach, By showing you only what they want you to see, Twisting the videos acting as if all meat industries do this. The guy who stomped the calf's head in got charged for about $500,000 (About $850 per bone he broke). The guy who was hanging pigs on the forklift was arrested for 4 years. The guy who was charged 500 grand was also the one who was throwing chicks into the blenders.

Even if the entire video was true, These weren't people who were trying to brainwash us, And nobody was punished, I still would eat meat because these animals were bred specifically for eating and killing purposes, Not to live a life. And as many have said, Superior defeats inferior.


Originally Posted by Leaph View Post
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unle...ver-video.html

Sorry, I got the figure wrong. It's $750 for each act. Happy now? And, He was also charged for numerous torture acts. And as I said, The video has a political approach, Only saying what is wanted to be said, And only showing what is wanted to be shown. Thus making the viewer on their side. The video mentions they are accepted practices, But where's their source? By showing a video of animal abusers and claiming that all meat industries allow such things is ludacris, Could be absolute bullshit.
So, My claim wasn't ridiculous, I provided my source, So I'll bother posting.

Let me pick apart that source for you:

1.) That article says nothing about the man stomping on the calf being fined. It says he could face up to a charge of $750 per act. Not that he has been or even will be charged that amount.

2.) That says nothing about the man hanging pigs. Until you provide sources I am going to stick with the belief that this is accepted practice and the farmer is still a free man.

3.) It was not the same farm/man who was charged for the calf cruelty and the disposing of chicks in the grinder. In fact, if you read your article you will see no one was charged for that and that the animals rights group is trying to encourage stricter laws regarding it.

4.) Why in the world would an animal rights group lie about accepted practices? I think if they got footage of chicks being grinded and pigs being hung illegally they would wave it in our face, not lie about it being legal. A bit of logic goes along way.

5.) Finally, yes you provided a source. But did you actually read it?
Yeahk, you win. I'll believe that pig hanging is an accepted practice then. And, I didn't really read all of that article =/

That clip where the guy slit the cows throat open while it was still alive and conscious, Was that torture? Because there was a rumour that it's for a religious type of meat where the blood needs to all be drained out before the cow dies. Once again, Rumour.

Sorry fee :t
Originally Posted by Leaph View Post
That clip where the guy slit the cows throat open while it was still alive and conscious, Was that torture? Because there was a rumour that it's for a religious type of meat where the blood needs to all be drained out before the cow dies. Once again, Rumour.

I think that was a botched killing, rather than intentional, they are normally stunned. The process you are referring to is known as Halal Meat. The terms means something like being allowed by Islamic law. But yes, that is generally what happens. It's surrounded by a lot of controversy and is difficult to regulate as it's a religious act and needs to be handled delicately. Below is taken from Wikipedia (;p)

"Ḏabīḥah (ذَبِيْحَة) is the prescribed method of slaughtering all animals excluding fish and most sea-life per Islamic law. This method of slaughtering animals consists of using a well sharpened knife to make a swift, deep incision that cuts the front of the throat, the carotid artery, wind pipe and jugular veins but leaves the spinal cord intact.[2] The objective of this technique is to cause the animal to lose consciousness as quickly as possible by cutting the oxygen flow to the brain and therefore inflict the least pain on the animal"
Originally Posted by Fee View Post
The video states that the hanging of pigs and chicks in the blender are accepted practices. I also know for a fact the farmer who stomped the calf was charged a fraction of that amount. If you are going to make ridiculous claims provide sources, alternatively don't bother posting. Consider this a warning.

How about you lead with example and post your own 100% factual source.