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Have you ever had an abusive parent? Have you ever had to experience your own father almost killing your mother over something seemingly inconsequential? I doubt you have, otherwise you would not say something so naive and stupid.
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Originally Posted by cowmeat View Post
Yes for marriadge no for adoption. Every kid should have a mom.

Oh yeah? Even ones who are bound to grow up in an orphanage?
You'd rather them stay there until they are 18 than have a gay couple become their family?

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Well cant gays use drugs and beat their child?

They don't just give orphans to anyone, you know. Adopting a kid isn't like buying a pack of gum.
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A femme gay would probably make a way more feminine mother than an increasing amount of actual female potential mothers these days. And I'm not even saying a mother should be as feminine as possible, simply stating that if it's femininity you're after, it's not all about the vagoo.

SLAPPED prolly assumed you knew that 1. adoptive parents have to meet certain requirements to evaluate their capability as parents, including a certain age window, lack of criminal record (or something to the effect), and such, and 2. that of course gay adoptive parents would be evaluated in the same way too.
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I do realise that all potentially adoptive parents go through rigorous screening, it's just that cowmeat saying an abusive mother is better than no mother kind of pissed me off.
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You're the one who presented the example at first... stop being a disruptive person.

Anyways, I share SkulFuk's thoughts. To each their own.
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No for marriage and no for adoption.

Marriage: they can't procreate, so they are of no use. While they are capable of being functioning members of society, they serve absolutely no purpose in furthering it in any way, so I see no reason to support it.

Adoption: the child would be ridiculed to no end, and may very well end up hating his adoptive parent due to the endless torment by his peers. In addition, the child may end up being gay himself (unless they've finally proven homosexuality is a genetic defect), which would perpetuate a pointless cycle.
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I (and others before me) thought the American gay marriage debate through a few years ago, and it seems like there's a simple enough solution.

The biggest complaint opponents have is that gay marriage goes against their religion. Church and state in the US are supposed to be separate. So, the state should stop "marrying" people and grant nothing but civil unions, to hetero-and-homosexual couples. The civil union would affect all the relevant laws. Marriages would be performed only by churches, at the church's discretion. They would no longer influence the law. Previous marriages would be grandfathered in. I'm sure it would be fairly common for a couple to have a traditional church wedding, but they would also have to go through the union process at the courthouse if they wanted to be legally recognized.

If that happens, nobody can really complain. Everybody's problems are solved.

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No for marriage and no for adoption.

Marriage: they can't procreate, so they are of no use. While they are capable of being functioning members of society, they serve absolutely no purpose in furthering it in any way, so I see no reason to support it.

Is procreation people's only use? Is that our goal, do we measure our success by how many kids we have? I'm pretty sure we have more children than necessary in the world, ideally we would let gays adopt someone and give them a chance to grow up (and procreate).

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Adoption: the child would be ridiculed to no end, and may very well end up hating his adoptive parent due to the endless torment by his peers. In addition, the child may end up being gay himself (unless they've finally proven homosexuality is a genetic defect), which would perpetuate a pointless cycle.

I know people with gay parents, and they're not ridiculed to no end. You can be the target of ridicule for anything. Should we not let fat people have kids because people will make fun of their "fat momma?"

Also, I'm pretty sure having straight parents won't keep you from becoming gay. I mean, how many fundamentalist Christians have been caught in gay sex scandals?
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Originally Posted by hydrotoxin View Post
No for marriage and no for adoption.

Marriage: they can't procreate, so they are of no use. While they are capable of being functioning members of society, they serve absolutely no purpose in furthering it in any way, so I see no reason to support it.

Adoption: the child would be ridiculed to no end, and may very well end up hating his adoptive parent due to the endless torment by his peers. In addition, the child may end up being gay himself (unless they've finally proven homosexuality is a genetic defect), which would perpetuate a pointless cycle.

You don't need to marry to procreate. Also, not all married couples have children. Marriage is just a symbol of love and devotion.

I don't see why gay people shouldn't be able to adopt. With 2 dads or 2 moms, I image they would fall into the roles required just like any other parents. Also, I know a guy who has 2 moms. In elementary school no one really knew, and now no one cares. Hes a normal guy aswell.
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Originally Posted by War_Hero View Post
You don't need to marry to procreate. Also, not all married couples have children. Marriage is just a symbol of love and devotion.

True enough, but what I was getting at was that the primary goal of human partnership is reproduction. Love and devotion are unquantifiable concepts, and I prefer to think of them as null, although I am a member of a very tiny minority in that belief.

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I don't see why gay people shouldn't be able to adopt. With 2 dads or 2 moms, I image they would fall into the roles required just like any other parents. Also, I know a guy who has 2 moms. In elementary school no one really knew, and now no one cares. Hes a normal guy aswell.

Again, you bring up a good point, but there isn't enough research on the subject to tip the scales either way-- I just prefer to play it on the safe side. And one example (especially in elementary school-- I don't even think I knew what a homosexual was until the 6th grade) does not an argument make. I suppose if nobody found out it would work out just fine, but alas, once it got out it would spread like wildfire in middle/high school.

Also, @Smiley

I would love to see the separation of marriage and religion. While I don't plan on getting married/civil union'd, it would simplify family law in the U.S. so very much.
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I think this subject is really hard to talk about.
There are so many things why it is ok and why it is not.
so many points of view. Also if you come out and say
Originally Posted by hydrotoxin
No for marriage and no for adoption.

U are immediately chosen to be hated just for pricipals.
I think that marriadge is just a symbol of love and devotion as War_hero said.
So it is not relevant if theres 2 men or 2 women or man and a woman.
but the adoption is harder for me to choose.

But you shouldn't be personally uppset about somebodys opinnion.
EVEN if they are trollin' or just being like "I HATE GAYS!"
It's their point of view let them have it and try to prove them that they are wrong.
Dont go and flame them about it afterwards
Or be like "I hate that dude he sucks"
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