How does celebrating Christmas make an atheist dishonest? Yes, it has its roots in religion, but an atheist could just as well celebrate it for the pleasure and joys of the activities involved. Being an atheist doesn't mean taking distance from everything related to religion, but simply one who believes that there is no deity. Regardless of whether they are posers or try to push their atheist beliefs, as long as they genuinely believe there is no deity, they are atheists as any other that matches the criterion.
I'm Atheist and I think Christmas, Easter and almost any mainstream holiday is or was Pagan until Christianity swept Norway and and other places off their feet. Christmas was orignally Pagan and there to celebrate the winter solstice feasting getting drunk of mead It was all there before christianity, then this Jew pops up and relinquishes Christmas of it's pagan spirit and turned it into the birth of christ or I mean some Pope. Again Easter is very Pagan down to the very core. I see the Seasons a time to party.
Also about god(s) How many do you think there are? Through out history people have been making these gods.
Also about god(s) How many do you think there are? Through out history people have been making these gods.
Last edited by T0ribush; Feb 18, 2010 at 05:59 PM.
Originally Posted by War_Hero
I'm a pretty extreme atheist and I celebrate most mainstream holidays. Christmas, Easter, etc. Why? Because it's fun.
This is awesome.Good expression of individualism
I think this explain that if an atheist partecipe to other religious holiday,mean only that they have a personal reson for do it.It can be for give pleasure to others(for ex a reliious family),or it can be for personal reason(is fun,or in my case i love what we eat for christmas,reborn ecc.Epic sweet).SURE don't mean that in truth we/i'm not a "true atheist"(i need a certificate for be
)I have a friend that request from the Catholic Church(i live at 10 minuts from Vatican,so isnt so far)a certificate for erase his baptism.For me this is useless.I have a baptism and also the Eucharist and Confession(these are first 3,on 7 in total, Sacraments in Chatolic Curch),but then i grow up and understand was all a mass of bullshit(of course i can wrong,but sure no one will have the possibility to show me the proofs before i'll die,and then who will care?).Now for what reason i have to lose my time to request a certificate for erase them,or simply for demonstrate to others that i'm an atheist?Who care?Where is the point? And then,for you,partecipe to a "religious" holiday,is a way for demonstrate our bliefs(both for atheist and religious?
About the fact that some Atheist "attack" religious people..personally i think people belive in Gods only for have an expectation of a better life(and doing this in most of case,they have a bad life now,only considering the fact that they have to live in sins[without consider if then their life is good or not]).I simply belive in TRY to have a better life now,and then i will see.So i don't have nothing against them..only another way for see the life(is obviously that for me,mine is better,like for them,their is better).
But i hate everyone who contribute to keep Churchs in life.Church(above all catholic and muslim)contribute to ruin the world.That's cause is made by men that try to convince other men that they are "closer" with the God(every kind of god).But sadly they are only men,and like every man that have a sort of powers on other men,they abuse of their power.So i'm against the "important" men of churchs,and i think that "not important people" in church(starting from "low clere",arriving to everyone that really belive in what church say)have to be "shaken" for let them understand that church are a cancer.This can be misrepresented and let think someone that i feel myself "better",only 'cause i'm atheist,but isnt this the point.I only want that people start to think with their mind,and if then they'll still belive in gods...no problem!Almost they'll reach that idea from theirself,instead of for their education(and everyone have the tool,called brain,for go against imposed education)
Btw,with this definition of agnostic,i can be a kind of agnostic too.I neither care if there are a God or not,because if there are,is clear that we cant see,interact or have nothing to do with him.But for me a thing that exist,but is useless,it is as if don't exist(so without have a proof of his utility,for me god is useless)
*these are hard discussion in a language that i never sudied with effort,so if you don't understand some part,say where and i'll try to put with other words.If you don't understand nothing...btw isnt so important=P
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Religion are falling down! pll are getting cleverest, we could be created for a god couse the unvierse have no limits, so we dont know all about it, but there is no ONE FUCKING reason to beilive that. ppl who beilive in god is ppl who dont think by himself he just repeat what other guys says whit out think is if that rigth or not.
i give 50 years more until religion lose his powers.
i give 50 years more until religion lose his powers.
50 years? No way, buddy. Religion is hardwired into any extremely curious person who ponders our existence... Humanity. No matter how far we get we're not going to get close enough to the answer if there even is an answer for that matter.
Though I think religion is taken too literal. Sure I can read the bible and disregard all the fairy tales, but the lessons. I'll be a good person, though I don't need the bible because I already am a good person. God is just a catch for what lessons there are to be taught. You don't want to be kind to your neighbor your whole life or even live in pride your whole life without something in return. So, that's where heaven steps in. An eternity of worshiping without violence and conflict. Hell is to make sure you don't disobey what you have been taught.
Though I think religion is taken too literal. Sure I can read the bible and disregard all the fairy tales, but the lessons. I'll be a good person, though I don't need the bible because I already am a good person. God is just a catch for what lessons there are to be taught. You don't want to be kind to your neighbor your whole life or even live in pride your whole life without something in return. So, that's where heaven steps in. An eternity of worshiping without violence and conflict. Hell is to make sure you don't disobey what you have been taught.
