HTOTM: FUSION
You idiot jxc, did you even read the article you quoted?

Your own goddamn quote says that the arecibo message would take 25,000 to reach the star cluster. Hell, by the time the messages reaches them, they'll be won't even be there anymore.

And your argument against fish is ridiculous, all he's stating is that it's logical to assume that it was done by humans, not that there are no alien life forms.
Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
You idiot jxc, did you even read the article you quoted?

Your own goddamn quote says that the arecibo message would take 25,000 to reach the star cluster. Hell, by the time the messages reaches them, they'll be won't even be there anymore.

And your argument against fish is ridiculous, all he's stating is that it's logical to assume that it was done by humans, not that there are no alien life forms.

Who said the species who received the message were at the star cluster? Thy could have intercepted it from any location.

And the Fish thing, he states:
Humans are the only ones who use languages, text or art to communicate.

I assume he means on earth, but I'm more than sure that there are more species in the universe that communicate with languages, text, or art. He's addressing a question that was never asked: "Out of all the species on earth, which could have created these crop circles?"
That's why I brought up the other possible intelligent species.

Oh, and, criticize the argument, not the arguer. It just makes you seem less credible.

That's debate 101. =/
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wat jxc. The idea that they can receive and interpret an alien message not aimed at them, and then send it back in such a short amount of time without us even knowing about them or establishing further contact is again, ridiculous.

Maybe I was overaggressive, but I get annoyed when someone vigorously defends conspiracy theories that seem clearly wrong to me.
wat jxc. The idea that they can receive and interpret an alien message not aimed at them, and then send it back in such a short amount of time without us even knowing about them or establishing further contact is again, ridiculous.

Well, first, if they are capable of space faring technology, then we can assume their radio telescope technology is FAR superior to ours. So superior, that, they can detect far away coherent radio transmissions. Nobody knows. And, the Arecibo Message was sent in 74'. Thats ample time for a technologically advanced race to receive, decode, and respond to.

Maybe I was overaggressive, but I get annoyed when someone vigorously defends conspiracy theories that seem clearly wrong to me.

That's your own damage. >_<
They may clearly seem wrong to you, that doesn't mean they are. It's called "error".
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Originally Posted by jxc1013 View Post
Who said the species who received the message were at the star cluster? Thy could have intercepted it from any location.

And the Fish thing, he states:

I assume he means on earth, but I'm more than sure that there are more species in the universe that communicate with languages, text, or art. He's addressing a question that was never asked: "Out of all the species on earth, which could have created these crop circles?"
That's why I brought up the other possible intelligent species.

Oh, and, criticize the argument, not the arguer. It just makes you seem less credible.

That's debate 101. =/

Lets look at earth, a planet with billions of intelligent life forms. Now lets say some person has a field. This person who owns the field is a farmer with a lawn mower and various other resources required to make crop circles.
Suddenly a crop circle appears on some guys field.

So what now, do we assume that it was aliens that aren't even on this planet. Am I supposed to believe that it was some creature trillions of galaxies away?

This is stupid, everyone knows the farmer could have easily done it.

And then what happens, more crop circles appear. All over the world at random times. Who else is all over the world with the ability to do this? Hmmm maybe the farmers who own the paddocks with all their tools for harvesting crops.

Its clearly man made. Any other assumption is illogical, especially when you know that people could easily do this.
Ugh.

1.We never assumed they were capable of interplanetary travel.
2. Whether they can detect or decode radio transmissions in other frequencies/fundamental systems is completely hypothetical.
3.NO, IT IS NOT. A transmitter close enough/large enough to detect radio waves and respond that quickly would easily detectable by NASA. You are deluding yourself.

Edit: no fish look it's just too complex farmers couldn't have done it must've been magical aliens and their space lasers.
Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
Hoaxes. Think about it.

1. Advanced alien race...with stellar technology...covering millions of light years to do what? To draw some obscure pictures by pressing down on plants... If they wanted to communicate us something, don't you think they could have done it far more efficiently?

2. The most complex circle (the one with the alien portrait) defeats it's credibility just by portraying the extremely anthropomorphic alien image which we all know from our pop culture.

3. There have been several documentaries showing circle makers at work, who use nothing but a wooden plank on a string to make these things.
Here is one where some guys make a firefox logo crop circle:


Maybe they already have visited us, who knows.

2: don't disagree there.

3: As OP said, not really possible incognito, but now that I think about it. Who really cares if they hear a lawnmower out in the desert. You know, the hot, dry place people really never travel too. It's miles away from any civilization so you can really do anything there.

It's a mixture of hoax and truth.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
wat jxc. The idea that they can receive and interpret an alien message not aimed at them, and then send it back in such a short amount of time without us even knowing about them or establishing further contact is again, ridiculous.

Why wouldn't we know about them?

Are you suggesting we haven't tried to contact extraterrestrials?

Originally Posted by Fish View Post
Lets look at earth, a planet with billions of intelligent life forms. Now lets say some person has a field. This person who owns the field is a farmer with a lawn mower and various other resources required to make crop circles.
Suddenly a crop circle appears on some guys field.

So what now, do we assume that it was aliens that aren't even on this planet. Am I supposed to believe that it was some creature trillions of galaxies away?

This is stupid, everyone knows the farmer could have easily done it.

It's not stupid, a farmer could not have done this in the allotted time and it certainly would not be easy.

Originally Posted by Fish View Post
Its clearly man made. Any other assumption is illogical, especially when you know that people could easily do this.

It's not "clearly" man-made otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. If you honestly think that this sort of stuff would be easy to make, you're less intelligent than I had previously assumed.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
Ugh.

1.We never assumed they were capable of interplanetary travel.
2. Whether they can detect or decode radio transmissions in other frequencies/fundamental systems is completely hypothetical.
3.NO, IT IS NOT. A transmitter close enough/large enough to detect radio waves and respond that quickly would easily detectable by NASA. You are deluding yourself.

Edit: no fish look it's just too complex farmers couldn't have done it must've been magical aliens and their space lasers.

1. If they have the ability to screw with crops they can presumably achieve interplanetary travel, or they're using some long range death ray with the power to push down grass...
2. This is all hypothetical.
3. I'm sure if that were the case NASA wouldn't be on TV going "hey guise aleens luv lady gaga." You are deluding yourself if you think the government any government tells you every thing they do.

I suggest you research the subject more before trying to argue over it. There are over 1000 reputable, evidential, unexplained cases of UFOs/aliens scattered about the world. Even if it's not aliens it's definitely something you're unaware of and therefore you shouldn't be trying to defend it so adamantly. It's like saying God exists/doesn't exist or something.

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Originally Posted by Modomon View Post
Why wouldn't we know about them?

Are you suggesting we haven't tried to contact extraterrestrials?


It's not stupid, a farmer could not have done this in the allotted time and it certainly would not be easy.


It's not "clearly" man-made otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. If you honestly think that this sort of stuff would be easy to make, you're less intelligent than I had previously assumed.


1. If they have the ability to screw with crops they can presumably achieve interplanetary travel, or they're using some long range death ray with the power to push down grass...
2. This is all hypothetical.
3. I'm sure if that were the case NASA wouldn't be on TV going "hey guise aleens luv lady gaga." You are deluding yourself if you think the government any government tells you every thing they do.

I suggest you research the subject more before trying to argue over it. There are over 1000 reputable, evidential, unexplained cases of UFOs/aliens scattered about the world. Even if it's not aliens it's definitely something you're unaware of and therefore you shouldn't be trying to defend it so adamantly. It's like saying God exists/doesn't exist or something.

inb4ucrazy

Couldn't have said it better. Especially the last part. Do more research before you come about making claims you aren't sure of.
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Are you telling me that humans can't make crop circles?

People are all around where crop circles appear. And you say people have nothing to do with them. That is unlikely.

Do you think its easier for an alien billions of miles away to make a precise pattern on earth, than it is for people to do it.

Where is your logic. You don't even want to consider the possibility that the crop circles are man made. This is a debate. You should argue against me and prove me wrong before you say you are right.

Originally Posted by Modomon View Post
It's not stupid, a farmer could not have done this in the allotted time and it certainly would not be easy.

This is a stupid thing to say. Here is why, farmers have years of experience when it comes to harvesting crops.

-Farmers are smart, and can plan things in advance.
-Farmers often employ people with similar skills to help harvest.

All it would take is a farmer with a few friends and his paddock with crops to make a crop circle in, and a few artistic skills.

Just look at the OP for evidence for that.
Last edited by Fish; Jul 1, 2010 at 09:05 AM.