Originally Posted by Odlov
Another point I want to add is that it is essentially necessary for a society to embrace it unless it can prevent it globally through treaties and whatnot (yeah right!). If your population stays traditional while other countries are rapidly filling with smarter and stronger citizens, you will eventually be out of competition. Perish. Along with your obsolete values.
That isn't exactly true.
Case study; the Amish. They have essentially shunned modern technology and live as they did 200 years ago. Currently modern technology is flying across at an insane rate, and yet the Amish survive and live happily.
Countries that do not embrace transhumanism will essentially be in the same boat. They may not contribute as much to society, but they will still exist.
I expect that some Western countries that are less religious (ie, not USA), as well as south east Asia will embrace new technology a lot faster than the middle east, and Africa. This is just speculation however.
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Originally Posted by Gorman
That isn't exactly true.
Case study; the Amish. They have essentially shunned modern technology and live as they did 200 years ago. Currently modern technology is flying across at an insane rate, and yet the Amish survive and live happily.
Countries that do not embrace transhumanism will essentially be in the same boat. They may not contribute as much to society, but they will still exist.
I expect that some Western countries that are less religious (ie, not USA), as well as south east Asia will embrace new technology a lot faster than the middle east, and Africa. This is just speculation however.
Oh, get real
Technologically backwards groups like the Amish or Bushmen only exist for as long as they are allowed. Moreover, they are merely small communities within countries which embrace technology and can defend themselves. Try to picture an "Amish country" and how seriously the smarter and stronger world will take their claim to sovereignty.
Even if we assume that countries will respect their primitive neighbor's claim to sovereignty, you have to remember that life poses far more threats than other people. Diseases, viruses, natural disasters, alien invasions. Do you think a country which embraces primitivism will stand the test of time? I certainly wouldn't bet on it.
And yet there is a plethora of examples of primitive societies survival today.
I don't see this changing in the future, if anything, there will be more 'primitive splinter societies' forming.
I don't see this changing in the future, if anything, there will be more 'primitive splinter societies' forming.
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Originally Posted by Gorman
And yet there is a plethora of examples of primitive societies survival today.
I don't see this changing in the future, if anything, there will be more 'primitive splinter societies' forming.
Yeah, so what if there is?
I think my points still stand.
On their own they are defenseless - against aggressors or other maladies. They exist for as long as they don't cross the interests of progressive societies. Humans are fairly hardy even with primitive technology, but I think you'd have to observe them for far longer to judge their hardiness. I'd like to see how an Amish society copes with an outbreak of smallpox, for example, without falling back on the advanced medicine of it's host country. Or how it survives nuclear winter (or any other radical climate change). Or how they survive the inflation of the sun.
It's true that there will probably be many "human purist" groups forming, and they will persist for a while. 100, 300 years maybe. Eventually they'll probably be reduced to digital DNA codes that will be stored as a reference and backup by their post-human successors.
Last edited by Odlov; Jan 13, 2011 at 04:53 AM.
See, I don't see how you can put a lifespan on primitivist groups.
The Amish were founded what, 300 years ago? So they have already survived for 300 years, and yet you expect that human purists will only survive 100-300 years?
You forget that primitivists are also protected by their isolation. The Amish populations were not decimated by swine flu, or bird flu, or whatever else. In fact, they are one of the fastest growing populations in the world.
Other populations, such as New Guinea highlanders are also isolated, so are spared modern disease, and can live as they have for thousands of years.
Perhaps if modern disease is introduced in to one of these secluded primtivisit cultures there will be problems, well, probably. However that seems to me to be a bit of a moot argument, since preventing modernism is what primitivism is all about.
My prediction is that primitive cultures will continue to exist indefinitely.
The Amish were founded what, 300 years ago? So they have already survived for 300 years, and yet you expect that human purists will only survive 100-300 years?
You forget that primitivists are also protected by their isolation. The Amish populations were not decimated by swine flu, or bird flu, or whatever else. In fact, they are one of the fastest growing populations in the world.
Other populations, such as New Guinea highlanders are also isolated, so are spared modern disease, and can live as they have for thousands of years.
Perhaps if modern disease is introduced in to one of these secluded primtivisit cultures there will be problems, well, probably. However that seems to me to be a bit of a moot argument, since preventing modernism is what primitivism is all about.
My prediction is that primitive cultures will continue to exist indefinitely.
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