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Personally, I consider myself somewhat of a moral nihilist. The "death of God" is quite interesting, but I don't agree that with the rejection of god leads to the rejection of morals and truth. That seems to just be a way to safe guard religion from those who think differently.

Without religion, I have gone through the world without raping, killing, or buying into false information (for the most part). I do think that morals are a human construction, but I don't think we have the best system yet. There are better (more functional) things to be done with how the world/countries are run.

In the sense that there is a rejection of absolute values, yes, that is true. Values are subjective. Some people view cake as highly valuable because they like cake. Same goes for other things such as truth, some people would rather be ignorant yet happy than see truth and have the possibility of being unhappy. For that they place a higher value on happiness.
They are mainly subjective or relative, depending on the culture/society/individual.
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Cogito ergo sum. I think therefor I exist.

I know it's true because it says so right here in this signature.
It's either he's/she's never existed or Has turned his/her back on us, as it's too almighty and ultra to even give a shit about a few organisms that will not survive long enough to reach the vacuums of space.

Also morals can be seen through out the animal kingdom, I just think humanities morals are just more developed.
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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."

Originally Posted by kooky View Post
God, (Allah) As a muslim, God always existed, then who is the creator, there has to be someone who are creating us and the universe.

There HAS to be, eh?
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Originally Posted by Dr_Strangelove View Post

There HAS to be, eh?

Did you not know that there is this thing that made the thing for which there is no know maker? It causes and directs all event for which we have no explanation otherwise. It defies the laws of physics, is invisible but everywhere and is so perfect that it would still be perfect if it would kill one million people including babies. It is so magical it could inpregnate a virgin.
Let's call that thing Bob!
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Originally Posted by kooky View Post
there has to be someone who are creating us and the universe.

It was me, sorry to say...
Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
It was me, sorry to say...

Really? I could've sworn it was a noodly appendage that first touched life into this universe...
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Cogito ergo sum. I think therefor I exist.

I know it's true because it says so right here in this signature.
Originally Posted by AikidoKP View Post
Really? I could've sworn it was a noodly appendage that first touched life into this universe...

You best repent boy. If you know what's good for ya.
Originally Posted by AikidoKP View Post
In the sense that there is a rejection of absolute values, yes, that is true. Values are subjective. Some people view cake as highly valuable because they like cake. Same goes for other things such as truth, some people would rather be ignorant yet happy than see truth and have the possibility of being unhappy. For that they place a higher value on happiness.
They are mainly subjective or relative, depending on the culture/society/individual.

Well would there be an absolute value in a human life? When someone devalues human life, the great majority views them as a monster. If only a very small minority disagrees, does that make it fact. It may be a matter of opinion, but how many people does it take for an opinion to be considered the standard moral view or truth. If a view or moral transcends cultures and extends through humanity as a whole, is that enough?
The basic question is, is it even possible for a moral truth to exist, even one created by humanity?

EDIT: Also, The death of God would lead to a rejection that is supposed to be overcome. The idea was some would go to Nihilism, and some would fight to make their own meaning and morals.
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Originally Posted by Thatguyzeke View Post
The basic question is, is it even possible for a moral truth to exist, even one created by humanity?

Well, objective (ie independent of us) moral truths could exist, but I don't believe there is any good reason to believe they do exist (and even less reason to believe some old silly book reveals them). Assuming they don't....I think moral truths can still exist, but only as practical, provisional truths. Just like our concept of "healthy" is a practical truth.
Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
Well, objective (ie independent of us) moral truths could exist, but I don't believe there is any good reason to believe they do exist (and even less reason to believe some old silly book reveals them). Assuming they don't....I think moral truths can still exist, but only as practical, provisional truths. Just like our concept of "healthy" is a practical truth.

I think that's a really good point, a practical truth like that works very well. But what makes it a truth?
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