HTOTM: FUSION
Originally Posted by isaac View Post
That's the point, Dynomite. They unknowingly befriend a person of a race they hate and then go and meet irl to find out that the person was actually a race he hated and be mindfucked because he's friends with them.

I don't think it would have much effect on a racist person though, tbh. If you're racist you're already closed minded enough to assume a few traits over a huge amount of people, or even just hate them for no reason.

Racism is a form of hate. Where does hate stem from? How one is nurtured, what one is taught, the environment in which one is raised. If you are exposed to a different environment, the hate can be un-taught, so to speak.
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I doubt you'll be able to un-teach racism to the majority, maybe a small number of racists but not all of them, my reasoning is that things learnt in childhood are better learnt than in adult life.
It's an easier plan to let the internet take it's course and create a less racist population each generation.
Just pointing out, on the internet people are 100x as racist, it is just that it doesn't come up as often, because, as you mentioned, it isn't as obvious.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post



If we were to take 500 racist people, and a mix of other races they hate(double blind, however, it would be needed to tell the other races not to expose their race)...
Would having this study be considered unethical and damaging?

I have to come up with some sort of study for statistics(and actually do it), so I'd like some opinions to perfect this.

On the subject of if it would be ethically valid, no.

The people would either have to be

A) Told exactly what the study was about, meaning they would be suspicious and hostile to everyone they were interacting with or just flat out refuse to do it (racially prejudiced people don't usually tend to be the most open minded folk anyway)

OR

B) Not told about what they were doing until the end, meaning that it would not follow ethical guidelines in terms of not gaining informed consent from the participants and could very well be offensive and damaging to the participants.

In summary, it's a very interesting topic to discuss, but very difficult to test with any sort of validity.
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Originally Posted by teacozzy View Post
On the subject of if it would be ethically valid, no.

The people would either have to be

A) Told exactly what the study was about, meaning they would be suspicious and hostile to everyone they were interacting with or just flat out refuse to do it (racially prejudiced people don't usually tend to be the most open minded folk anyway)

OR

B) Not told about what they were doing until the end, meaning that it would not follow ethical guidelines in terms of not gaining informed consent from the participants and could very well be offensive and damaging to the participants.

In summary, it's a very interesting topic to discuss, but very difficult to test with any sort of validity.

I disagree, more racy studies are done all the time with no complaints, for instance students have consented to a study in which they are arrested and interrogated by other students dressed in formal police uniform, all in order to see the effects of interrogation, (Can't find the source for this, sorry.) they only were informed that they would be interrogated by other students. This is hardly a tough study on the people involved.
Originally Posted by teacozzy View Post
On the subject of if it would be ethically valid, no.

The people would either have to be

A) Told exactly what the study was about, meaning they would be suspicious and hostile to everyone they were interacting with or just flat out refuse to do it (racially prejudiced people don't usually tend to be the most open minded folk anyway)

OR

B) Not told about what they were doing until the end, meaning that it would not follow ethical guidelines in terms of not gaining informed consent from the participants and could very well be offensive and damaging to the participants.

In summary, it's a very interesting topic to discuss, but very difficult to test with any sort of validity.

A) is not necessary in a study, especially if subjects can become biased by knowing what the study is about. As long as they are informed eventually, it should be ethical.

B) since the study is not requesting them to do anything other than interact with another person, there is no need for informed consent, as there is no risk to the participant.


That being said, it'd be a difficult study to perfect. For one thing, you'd need some way to evaluate how racist a person is quantitatively for it to be an effective study.

Also, is it really necessary for them to interact with each other? I'm wondering if you got 500 racist people and asked them to evaluate a favorable bio of a person (same bio for everybody) then get their responses, then revealed to half of them that the person in the bio was white, and the other half that they were some minority race, then asked them to re-evaluate the bio, you could achieve similar results with less room for interfering variables.

It would give results similar, because it's still impersonal like an internet conversation, but it allows for a constant in terms of what each person is using to make a value judgement. However, it wouldn't completely prove or disprove that the internet could be a 'cure' for racism. However, it provides some basic support for that claim.
Last edited by Oracle; Sep 27, 2011 at 08:35 PM.
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I'm not sure if this would actually work, considering the following.

For example, if a racist on the internet and someone of the race they dislike are both in the same room (virtually of course), certain questions can always arise. If they were racist, statements like "You'd better not be...", or "Are you..." can possibly come up. Saying hateful words targeted towards another race can spark arguments. It might then lead to them revealing who they are, and then the party is over.

To have this actually work, questions like those would have to be eliminated. I think where you were at though, was that they would forget about asking questions like those, and just carry on a normal conversation. However, that isn't always the case.

If that could be passed, then it could easily just be a 'cure' for the issue. People would begin to realize that there is nothing wrong with someone of another race. And as isaac said, "be mindfucked".
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Racism spreads like fire. Saying the internet is the cure for such a type of insult would be totally ridiculous. I see more people get banned for racism on these forums than I ever hear a racist word in real life. The odds of the Internet actually having any type of possitive affect on the spread or racism would be like 1/10,000,000.
Being that the internet provides anonymity, people will not hesitate to completely insult someone in an extremely vulgar way. So I would have to agree with Assy's point, that if those kinds of questions didn't come up, then for the most part you wouldn't see the racism. However if someone was just blatantly being racist, not to one person, but just in general, there is no way to stop them. Like I said, the anonymity of the internet is a powerful thing, and it is the cause of many "trolls" and "keyboard warriors" so to speak. So no, I think the Internet actually strengthens racism, and how it comes across.
I saw a lot of TheAmazingAtheist's videos refering his opinions about the racism.
His arguements had a point, and I had to agree with him.

Racism is just useless, its more like hatred for a race than doing actually something for the community