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Originally Posted by Swyne View Post
It's about time.
It was not even worth it considering that U.S. jumped into a conflict that we could have left well enough alone.

Almost the same premises went on during Vietnam. We jumped into the conflict, and got ourselves into a whole shit load of bad.

I'm glad that they finally ended the war, though. It was a horrible mistake to jump into it in the first place, and since Vietnam, shouldn't we have already learned this anyway? Nothing good even came from this war, it was inevitably pointless.
Originally Posted by Echoforce View Post
or at least should we have left a small enough bit of troops to make sure everything over there stays on the up-and-up.

We did, they're in Afghanistan. If there was any need for our interference, we are right across the boarder, in fact, there are U.S troops in almost every country in the world.
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Originally Posted by Faint View Post
it was inevitably pointless.

False, it was pointless to the average citizen, i.g you or me, but to maintain an American influence across the globe, and keep our fat asses well fed, the ever growing US military is there to put any type of rebellion down.
Last edited by JayStar; Dec 17, 2011 at 12:13 AM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
Of course it was not worth the lives, they could've comprised and came to an agreement instead of going to war.

But I guess when two countries disagree and can't talk it out this is what happens, sometimes it can't be avoided.
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-9 years bloody years
-4500 dead americans
-100000 dead Iraqi
-tenths of thousands of wounded on both sides
-war price-800000000 (billions) dollars (with this money, americans could stop poverty in states, make homes for homeless, and fix american health system where only rich people have right of med. care)
-now they are retreating army from Iraq leaving destroyed and divided nation, many orphans, many disabled for rest of life many widows....
-USA still didn't gave reason of why did your smart former president george w bush started war in Iraq cause we all know oficcial reason was suspicion of Iraq has weapons of mass destruction which was never found.

are these facts simple enough for your brains to understand or you are gonna delete my post again?

Vox Moderated Message:
I wasn't actually the mod who deleted your post, but your post was useless, and seeing as your being such a pick about it I gave you an infraction for it.
Last edited by Vox; Dec 17, 2011 at 12:36 PM. Reason: typo
yes its over but we will still be over there in the middle east
GOD BLESS ALL MY AMERICAN SOLDIERS
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Originally Posted by Faint View Post
Almost the same premises went on during Vietnam. We jumped into the conflict, and got ourselves into a whole shit load of bad.

I'm glad that they finally ended the war, though. It was a horrible mistake to jump into it in the first place, and since Vietnam, shouldn't we have already learned this anyway? Nothing good even came from this war, it was inevitably pointless.

good did come out of it we killed i think it is 9 outta 11 of the terrible leaders out there
Last edited by akatsuki00; Dec 17, 2011 at 08:46 AM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
Originally Posted by Marco View Post
The last 4,000 troops are leaving within the next two weeks, which is quite doable. If you're talking in terms of when they were originally supposed to return to the US it has been incredibly slow. Granted, Obama hasn't at any point tried to keep troops there but progress has not been speedy. However, he has kept to the agreement made between America and Iraq in late 2008: 'All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011'.

And to answer my own question, no it has not been worth it. No WMDs were found and no 'victory' has been gained, because there was never an aim for victory in the first place.

They must have really feared the consequence's of no legal immunity, to get out that fast. 100,000 -> 150 given how late they left it is amazing.


Originally Posted by T0ribush View Post
Not everyone deserves a trial Vox.

That's actually a different discussion I'd love to have, sufficed to say my view is that everyone deserves a trial, but I don't want to get off topic. PM me if your interested.


Originally Posted by Chr0niK View Post
i doubt its actually over our government does pretty sneaky shit

Oh the CIA will probably still be doing all kinds of stuff there. That is their job after all. But the war is over.
Last edited by Vox; Dec 17, 2011 at 10:01 AM.
Originally Posted by pusga View Post
This is like the Vietnam war.
No one wins, everyone loses, nothing good comes out of it = f*cking pointless.

Not even worth it considering the amount of deaths.

I would just like to say that no matter how much we Americans say nobody won we actually lost hardcore. We retreated because Vietnam was impenetrable from every country that had tried to take it over so far.

Which is probably why we didn't learn from our mistakes because we won't admit we made them. just sayin
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Originally Posted by sirsex View Post
-9 years bloody years
-4500 dead americans
-100000 dead Iraqi
-tenths of thousands of wounded on both sides
-war price-800000000 (billions) dollars (with this money, americans could stop poverty in states, make homes for homeless, and fix american health system where only rich people have right of med. care)
-now they are retreating army from Iraq leaving destroyed and divided nation, many orphans, many disabled for rest of life many widows....
-USA still didn't gave reason of why did your smart former president george w bush started war in Iraq cause we all know oficcial reason was suspicion of Iraq has weapons of mass destruction which was never found.

are these facts simple enough for your brains to understand or you are gonna delete my post again?

Vox Moderated Message:
I wasn't actually the mod who deleted your post, but your post was useless, and seeing as your being such a pick about it I gave you an infraction for it.

By the way most of the facts in the above post are wrong, so here is a fixed version:

8 years and 270 days long. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War )

4483 American casualties ( http://antiwar.com/casualties/ )

No idea how many people died: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
The numbers just changes so much from source to source, but the most quoted value is 103,536 to 113,125 from the Iraq Body Count project.

Millions were wounded: "As for the Iraqis, where even the death toll has only been very roughly estimated, it appears that no one has attempted to count the wounded." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War )

The above post put "800000000" USD as the price of the war, which is "800,000,000" when separated, which is 800 million, not billions as the post claimed. The total cost of the Iraq war is contested ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financi...f_the_Iraq_War ) but it ranges from $3 Trillion (3,000,000,000,000) to $757.8 billion (757,800,000,000)



Lastly from your post:
"USA still didn't gave reason of why did your smart former president george w bush started war in Iraq cause we all know oficcial reason was suspicion of Iraq has weapons of mass destruction which was never found."

Yes, we know, bush wasn't a good president, this discussion is about the war, and while he did start it, the war was nearly 9 years long and Obama is now the president, the relevant discussion is what is happening today and in the last few years, not 9 years ago. But good job getting the weapons of mass destruction fact right.
Last edited by Vox; Dec 17, 2011 at 01:04 PM.
Originally Posted by JayStar View Post
False, it was pointless to the average citizen, i.g you or me, but to maintain an American influence across the globe, and keep our fat asses well fed, the ever growing US military is there to put any type of rebellion down.

That may be true, but in all honesty, more worse came out of this shit-storm of a war than good. I mean, we put ourselves in way over our heads, we lost numerous amounts of money, and countless lives were lost.

Yes, America is a greedy, and partly fucked country, but I will in no way say that this war was worth it, ever.
'Keeping our fat asses well fed' does not count as a reason. Soldiers are citizens too, and they're returning to a shattered economy; the war is partly to blame.
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