Originally Posted by RayA75

Time* is not an illusion*. Time is natural, one of the basic physical laws of the universe. We did not make up time. We made up units of time to keep people on a schedule.

Stop saying that we made up time.

Originally Posted by RayA75

What? I'm not being a grammar nazi, you're just not defining your terms.

What do you mean by time? Are you talking about time or units of time? When you say time as such (as a general law of physics) was made up by humans?

Please define your terms.

Originally Posted by thejesut

Well, I wasn't telling you that humans made it. I am saying from a humans perspective thats how I view it. Humanity needs time to keep themselves going. I'm not telling you what time is to be clear, I am NOT telling you what time is.

Originally Posted by RayA75

I've never heard of the position that "humans created time to keep themselves going."
I know you're not telling me what time is. You seem to be telling me that we created something having to do with time. You haven't said exactly what the thing is.

So are you saying we created time in the universe?

Are you saying we created units of time in the universe?

Are you saying we created both?

Please define your terms

Originally Posted by thejesut

No What I am saying is that by "creating time" We made time into a deadline, not the astrophysical science.

But we interpreted time into a belief that time is everything.

Humans didn't create time, we merely discovered time

, and used it to keep our life from being unproductive and live by your demise. If you still don't understand I give up...

Originally Posted by RayA75

We made time into a schedule. We made units of time and such and such. Your past posts indicated that you see time as a method of control. In a sense, it is, but nothing harmful.

We have order and systems to keep that order. How much worse would things be if we didn't keep time?

Discovered time? You say that like time is something to be discovered. Everyone experiences time. Scientists go on to explain why time is the way it is.

Live by my demise? That makes no sense. Are you saying that if we stopped keeping time, we would be free?

Free to do something?

Or freedom from something?

Things would not be better if we didn't keep time.

Originally Posted by thejesut

Either you except it or not we all live by death.

this is simple. If we didn't have time we wouldn't have any indication of life.

We discovered time in the sense, we take time into consideration.

Originally Posted by RayA75

What do you mean by that. Elaborate.

This is a paradox hidden in rhetoric. If we didn't have time, we can't live. If we didn't have life, we can't die. If we can't die, we can't live.

This makes no damn A to B sense. Your logic baffles me.

What sense would that be? We made units of time, that's hardly discovery. We experience time whether you like it or not. We only decided to keep track of it, and thusly, consider it like you say. This still has no impact on our lives. Our lives would still be worse in the long run if we didn't keep track of time.