Originally Posted by Shocktrooper
Well, why does the people who poses the ability to realize wether it is a dream or not doesn't in the 'real life'?
You mean why don't they reality check in real life? They probably do in order to make it a habit.
Originally Posted by Shocktrooper
also, there is a thing where you can make yourself dream, and you know it is a dream, called Lucid Dream... If its already stated sorry, cause i didn't read all those words up there, i am rather what you people call... Lazy.
Lucid dreaming is actually what we have been talking about. Definition of lucid dream: "A lucid dream, in simplest terms, is a dream in which one is aware that one is dreaming."
@sirkill: You're not wrong in any respect. I'm sure what you experience is different than what others do, and vice versa.
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Originally Posted by P4RADOX
There really isn't any way to prove this either way, everything I say is going to just be speculation and personal opinion, but you probably already knew that.
Of course, any argument I make could very easily and logically be debunked by simply stating that perhaps the rules of this big dream are different than the traditional rules of dreaming. But then, would it be a dream? Or just something similar to a dream that behaves in like ways, but still different? I say the latter, if anything more than just simple life.
For me, the surest sign that reality isn't a dream is because every time we wake up, reality is constant; as opposed to dreams, where the nature of them change from individual dream to individual dream. Another would be that if our dreams were individual to us, then everyone we interact with would have to be constructs of our imagination. As we interact with other people, we learn things that we have not learned before, so our imagination cannot be controlling them.
What p4r4dox said was spot on. The Dream Argument is so vague and so undefined that any rebuttal on the side of a non-realist would really just be changing the nature of the so called "dream" that we are in. Until a certain definition of the overall dream is reached upon, no progress can be made.
I might close this thread soon and start another. If a definition is placed by anyone, and continuing progress is being made, I'll leave it open. For now, everyone think up definitions of this "dream"!
Last edited by Ray; Apr 16, 2012 at 10:16 AM.
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He who dreams of drinking wine may weep when morning comes; he who dreams of weeping may in the morning go off to hunt. While he is dreaming he does not know it is a dream, and in his dream he may even try to interpret a dream. Only after he wakes does he know it was a dream.
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I really disagree to line i bolded cause it's just not true - i know when i am dreaming and can wake myself up to write what was i dreaming about, also we do not realize all of dreams.
Reality from dreams differs mostly cause you can only feel pain while awake.
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I really disagree to line i bolded cause it's just not true - i know when i am dreaming and can wake myself up to write what was i dreaming about, also we do not realize all of dreams.
Reality from dreams differs mostly cause you can only feel pain while awake.
One thing is you guys, reality checks and such don't really apply to the theory that we could be in a dream right now. All reality checks are, are things that we cannot do in this life, that we can in our dream world.
And to those who are saying that the dream world is distorted, and this world is clear, that is all in relativity. What is to say that the real world is clear, and this one is distorted in comparison to it, and our dream world is distorted in relation to this life.
Also, time can be explained as well. Dreams last for a small amount of time. This life lasts for 60-100 years on average. Who is to say,
24x60=1440 1440x365=525600 525600/30=17520
525600x17520= 9208512000/525600 = 17520
That their lifetimes aren't approximately 17520 years long?
And also, there are types of dreams that you cannot wake yourself up from because you do not know it is a dream. This world could easily be one of those dreams.
And to those who are saying that the dream world is distorted, and this world is clear, that is all in relativity. What is to say that the real world is clear, and this one is distorted in comparison to it, and our dream world is distorted in relation to this life.
Also, time can be explained as well. Dreams last for a small amount of time. This life lasts for 60-100 years on average. Who is to say,
24x60=1440 1440x365=525600 525600/30=17520
525600x17520= 9208512000/525600 = 17520
That their lifetimes aren't approximately 17520 years long?
And also, there are types of dreams that you cannot wake yourself up from because you do not know it is a dream. This world could easily be one of those dreams.
Last edited by Locus; Apr 16, 2012 at 09:58 AM.
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Originally Posted by chaossook
One thing is you guys, reality checks and such don't really apply to the theory that we could be in a dream right now. All reality checks are, are things that we cannot do in this life, that we can in our dream world.
And to those who are saying that the dream world is distorted, and this world is clear, that is all in relativity. What is to say that the real world is clear, and this one is distorted in comparison to it, and our dream world is distorted in relation to this life.
Also, time can be explained as well. Dreams last for a small amount of time. This life lasts for 60-100 years on average. Who is to say,
24x60=1440 1440x365=525600 525600/30=17520
525600x17520= 9208512000/525600 = 17520
That their lifetimes aren't approximately 17520 years long?
And also, there are types of dreams that you cannot wake yourself up from because you do not know it is a dream. This world could easily be one of those dreams.
Your lifetime is not however many thousands of years long.
- Because years are the amount of days(full rotations of the earth) it takes the earth to complete its revolution around the sun
- Because, when measuring ones life, you define it by the amount of years they have been around after birth
- Because, no matter which way you put it, you have only existed for however many years/months/weeks/days/hours/minutes/seconds, and having a fake life in your head while you are in an unconscious state does not elongate your lifetime, no matter how hard you try to believe this.
Please, at least make sure what you're saying isn't absolutely radical, because its just no fun dissecting.
The relativity argument is far, far too common among people nowadays. Its the lazy way out of any debate, and generally isn't effective, i.e. relative morality(raping babies is never okay.)
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