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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
Rabies can cause hallucination, excitation, agitation and hyper salivation and once the onset of symptoms show death usually follows within days.

Rabies is another possibility, infact there's alot of mental diseases/disorders and such that could have possessed this man to do what he did.
One things for sure, i'm almost certain this is not a zombie outbreak ..most Americans are just paranoid/superstitious, no offence to anyone who is American.
Originally Posted by Dalliance View Post
"Another more recent case involved a California man eating his 4-year-old son's eyeballs in 2009 while on PCP, leaving the child blind. (wiki cite)"

Except it can. Plus I was only PCP as an example. Chances are even if drugs were involved they'd only be part of the reason.

That was quite the disturbing read. But here is something I'd like to point out. The kid's dad stopped. The attacker in miami was undeterred by people yelling at him, shots fired at him, and I assume the victim struggled, and that whole growl thing is rather creepy, because you'd expect a human response. The persistence appears to be lacking in both of the cases you presented. On Lurch's victim, they found lots of bite marks on the victim. Nothing was truly eaten, despite vast amounts of flesh were consumed, and on the child, one eye was eaten, and the other was bitten into.

These small differences can make or break diagnostics.


Originally Posted by WickedHayo View Post
Rabies is another possibility, infact there's alot of mental diseases/disorders and such that could have possessed this man to do what he did.
One things for sure, i'm almost certain this is not a zombie outbreak ..most Americans are just paranoid/superstitious, no offence to anyone who is American.

I'm leaning towards combination of drugs + previous mental illness, but, we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
I'm leaning towards combination of drugs + previous mental illness, but, we'll see.

This. I'm no psychologist, toxicologist, pharmacist, nor even a medical professional, so it would be impossible for me to make a judgment. Drugs and illness pretty much covers everything.

The case is kind of interesting, but once you realize that the zombie apocalypse is just wishful thinking, it is pretty run of the mill. Sure it's pretty unusual to have a guy eating another guy's face, but weird things like that happen all the time (anyone remember veb's thread about a woman who chops guys' dicks off?).

As for getting shot 4 times, perhaps they were in quick succession, and people don't often react to getting shot straight away out of shock (going to throw in a random statistic here, but anyway, in the event of an unusual situation a large portion of people will act like nothing is wrong, you've probably seen people walk past dieing people on the street, or drive around a car accident victim, or stay seated on a crashed plane as they burn alive, so it's not unusual to see someone get shot and not react, I saw a guy on Cops get shot and then just walk around like normal (fun fact, his buddy shot him because the guy kept beating him in table tennis!).)... We don't really have all the info so it's more or less just wild guessing.
Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
That was quite the disturbing read. But here is something I'd like to point out. The kid's dad stopped. The attacker in miami was undeterred by people yelling at him, shots fired at him, and I assume the victim struggled, and that whole growl thing is rather creepy, because you'd expect a human response. The persistence appears to be lacking in both of the cases you presented. On Lurch's victim, they found lots of bite marks on the victim. Nothing was truly eaten, despite vast amounts of flesh were consumed, and on the child, one eye was eaten, and the other was bitten into.

These small differences can make or break diagnostics.

These small differences mean next to nothing when you remember that drugs don't have the exact same effect on every single person.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I'm not even convinced that the "differences" are differences at all. You can't say that the kid's dad stopped because someone stopped him, all that's known is that someone tried to check on him, and then he proceeded to go outside and attack his own legs with an axe - you're trying to put rationale into the mind of someone on a serious hallucinogen, and that's just not going to work. I'm also not sure what you're saying as far as "nothing being eaten". In the Lurch case, he ate part of his roommate's lung. In this case, you yourself said that part of the face were consumed. Mind clarifying that one?
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
That was quite the disturbing read. But here is something I'd like to point out. The kid's dad stopped. The attacker in miami was undeterred by people yelling at him, shots fired at him, and I assume the victim struggled, and that whole growl thing is rather creepy, because you'd expect a human response. The persistence appears to be lacking in both of the cases you presented. On Lurch's victim, they found lots of bite marks on the victim. Nothing was truly eaten, despite vast amounts of flesh were consumed, and on the child, one eye was eaten, and the other was bitten into.

These small differences can make or break diagnostics.




I'm leaning towards combination of drugs + previous mental illness, but, we'll see.

so your saying that the man who attacked his son was most likely not under the influance of PCP, but the man in miami was since he was sporting un-human characteristics? rather they were both were and took(probably) a diffrent dosege of PCP and had different reactions?
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Wait,i heard that he wasn't actually eating his face,just bite it a bit.

Anyone has seen his face after the attack?
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Originally Posted by hanz0 View Post
These small differences mean next to nothing when you remember that drugs don't have the exact same effect on every single person.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I'm not even convinced that the "differences" are differences at all. You can't say that the kid's dad stopped because someone stopped him, all that's known is that someone tried to check on him, and then he proceeded to go outside and attack his own legs with an axe - you're trying to put rationale into the mind of someone on a serious hallucinogen, and that's just not going to work. I'm also not sure what you're saying as far as "nothing being eaten". In the Lurch case, he ate part of his roommate's lung. In this case, you yourself said that part of the face were consumed. Mind clarifying that one?

The biggest difference in all the cases is the extent to which they took it. The father ate one of the kid's eyes, and damaged the other. Lurch ate part of his roommates lung, and bit into her face a bit, only enough to leave bite marks(on the face, although he did do a number on her lung). He used a knife to access the lungs. A tool. A human tool. The irresponsible father tried to chop his leg off with an axe. A tool. A human tool.

This guy completely devoured this man's face, to the point where the man is unrecognizable in any way, shape, or form(so far, dna testing/fingerprints not included). With his bare hands. Animosity, rather then something that could have been possibly calculated with the limited rationale a person under the influence of PCP has. Precision is involved when you aim only at a child's eyes, or, chopping your leg off with an axe, or, attempting to devour someone's lungs. Neither of those cases had the sheer animosity aspect to it. I'd compare this more to a bear mauling, rather then an attempted homicide, based on what information we currently have. He also growled at the police officer. Even someone under such a hallucinogen is capable of respond in a more human way.

I do believe the man was on drugs, but not PCP. PCP doesn't take away someone's humanity, just obscures it.

That was the difference


Originally Posted by KmMad View Post
so your saying that the man who attacked his son was most likely not under the influance of PCP, but the man in miami was since he was sporting un-human characteristics? rather they were both were and took(probably) a diffrent dosege of PCP and had different reactions?

What...? Have you read anything I've said?

Originally Posted by SirPimp View Post
Wait,i heard that he wasn't actually eating his face,just bite it a bit.

Anyone has seen his face after the attack?

The police said the man was completely unrecognizable, and all human features of his face(eyes, nose, ears, everything).

E: Latest update: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/29...ng-bath-salts/

Told you it wasn't PCP.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
E: Latest update: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/29...ng-bath-salts/

Told you it wasn't PCP.

Jesus christ, if the perpetrator really was on that 'bath salt' shit ..I hope they contain the production/distribution of that drug in the future.
Originally Posted by WickedHayo View Post
Jesus christ, if the perpetrator really was on that 'bath salt' shit ..I hope they contain the production/distribution of that drug in the future.

And that will do what exactly? Bath salts are typically MDPV, which was placed in schedule 1 by the DEA in October of last year [source: http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr102111.html].

They're already illegal and that didn't stop this guy.

Edit: actually this took place in Florida, where MDPV has been illegal since January 2011 [source: http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/F...114681959.html]
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