HTOTM: FUSION
I must say that this is a pretty grim scenario showcasing how much people value the life of a child over that of an adult. I don't know the exact reason as to why people think that way but I'm not arguing it either.

Anyway, I would have to go with running into the poor kid. It would suck, and I would feel bad. The thing is, I would feel even worse if I wound up taking the route with the 10 men and killed even one of them.

What if that one man was a father? I may be wrong but I feel that, at the end of the day, the death of an adult would most likely affect more people than the death of a child. Adults usually have close friends, possibly a spouse and maybe even kids. A family. Now imagine if one of the main components of that family suddenly disappeared. You would have the widow (assuming that she loved her spouse) broken up emotionally, as well as the child having to grow up without a father. Close friends would feel the blow as well.

In the case of the kid dying, it isn't easy at all, or fair, to say that the parents can make another kid. That's not the point I'm trying to make. The death of the child may affect the parents and immediate family pretty bad, but the main makeup of the family would still be intact (Father + Mother).

When looking at it from this perspective, the choices you have are to either:

Fuck up 10 families

or

Temporarily Fuck up 1

I'll choose the last one.
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As you present it, I'd kill the child. Maths work, and if there isn't strong feelings for none of then, then ok.

I've seen it with as a bit more dramatic scenario;
You take care of a kind of bridge wich goes up and down every now and then, for letting a train having its normal course. Now your son sees that the train was coming too fast, and he tried to turn on the alarm (wich is on the bridge), so the train is alert and brakes. He falls under the bridge, and the train is coming. Then, the 2 options are:
1. Kill your own son by activating the bridge.
2. Kill and injury people on the train, meaningless lifes for you actually, by not activating the bridge.

That last case will make harder the decision of "killing the kid".
I'd probably do nothing. That way my son survives (selfish, I know) and I don't get put away for manslaughter or anything like that. It's as if I had nothing to do with the event. Traumatic either way but yeah.
I'd bail out of the moving train and plead insanity.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post

Here it is:

You are the conductor of a freight train, alone, and realize the train's brakes are shot. There is nothing you can do to repair them, but the train will head up a steady incline and it will eventually stop.

You see 10 men walking on the rails directly in front of you, who don't see the train. On a rip which you can turn into, there is a child playing on the tracks. If you turn, you will kill the child. If you proceed straight, you have a 90% chance of killing each of the men(90% per person). What is your decision, and why do you decide that it is the right choice?

Honestly, this is a situation that even Aristotle would have a tough time thinking about. Assuming this isn't a trick situation, the choice is between virtually killing nine men or one child. The math is easy, killing one child is not as bad as killing nine men, but the justifications are not.

I'll say that it is one of those situations in which there is no proper thing to do. Choose the lesser evil of killing one to save many as opposed to killing many to save one.
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Originally Posted by RayA75 View Post
Honestly, this is a situation that even Aristotle would have a tough time thinking about. Assuming this isn't a trick situation, the choice is between virtually killing nine men or one child. The math is easy, killing one child is not as bad as killing nine men, but the justifications are not.

I'll say that it is one of those situations in which there is no proper thing to do. Choose the lesser evil of killing one to save many as opposed to killing many to save one.

It is a situation which has no 'right' answer, because regardless of your choice, you still have to justify it.

You have to apply value to human lives, which is very hard, which is why I find it to be challenging enough to share it with people.

I like Tinerr's version of it more, tbh, it is more divisive, i'd imagine.

Personally, I'd choose to turn into the rip, as, i'd have less upset families to deal with, and frankly, i'd be able to proceed with my life, as I wouldn't live knowing that I had removed that many potential breadwinners from their families.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post

You have to apply value to human lives, which is very hard, which is why I find it to be challenging enough to share it with people.

Pretty much. I decided to pick the child out of simple more vs less logic because I don't want to invent a way to assign a value to certain lives. I don't think I could without sounding stupidly contrived. Nowhere in ethics is there a guideline about which lives to save and which not to save.
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Miserable choice here, presuming that you are aware of both groups, i would continue on towards the 10 men, not only is deliberately choosing to kill a child morally objectionable, the 10 men are adults and should have more common sense than to be dossing around on some train tracks, They would also have at least a little more awareness of whats going on around them than a child. Lastly the child at least has some excuse to be playing on train tracks.
Originally Posted by FinalWish View Post
Miserable choice here, presuming that you are aware of both groups, i would continue on towards the 10 men, not only is deliberately choosing to kill a child morally objectionable, the 10 men are adults and should have more common sense than to be dossing around on some train tracks, They would also have at least a little more awareness of whats going on around them than a child. Lastly the child at least has some excuse to be playing on train tracks.

But that's not the point. The unawareness of those men does not justify you deliberately choosing to kill them. Nothing really does, except that you have to make a choice between them and the child. Also, you think choosing to kill a child is morally objectionable, but not ten men?

The point is that you have to kill either nine or ten men or a child, no matter the circumstance. I wouldn't put any other factors into the equation about the circumstance because it's supposed to be an ethical dilemma rather than a circumstantial dilemma.
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So, we're not getting to the point where you're told that, instead, you're on a cliff with an obese man watching the train speeding towards the men on the tracks?
I thought that was meant to be the next step.

Anyway, yeah if I'm going to have all my third options hand waved then yep, run over the child it is. Not going to justify it because I can't think of any flawless justification, but as it stands this results in less dead people, and possibly some improvements in railway safety :P


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