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If a truancy officer stops you, you can always pretend you're home schooled, fyi. You don't have to give the officer any information about you.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
If a truancy officer stops you, you can always pretend you're home schooled, fyi. You don't have to give the officer any information about you.

Truancy officers typically drive the students home if they catch them, getting them in trouble with their parents for skipping school.
The school has every right to do this, provided the students and parents sign a release form that gives the chip tracking legality.

The school also has the right to expell/ not admit students who don't abide by or sign the release form.

It's not a mandatory action infringing on their civil rights, its a choice they can make if they want to attend that school.
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Originally Posted by Hamster View Post
The school has every right to do this, provided the students and parents sign a release form that gives the chip tracking legality.

The school also has the right to expell/ not admit students who don't abide by or sign the release form.

It's not a mandatory action infringing on their civil rights, its a choice they can make if they want to attend that school.

It is a school district, composed of several schools and almost 100,000 students. This is blatantly infringing upon their civil rights. It is also a public school system, therefore it is subsidized by the government. I'm not fucking paying taxes so other people's rights can be infringed, i'm already raging about having to pay taxes to support the damn military.

No school has the right to abide by their own rules and stick a finger to the constitution. Some of these people don't have a choice other than to attend a school in the district.

Remember how we made a big thing about RFID chips way back? I'll be damned if i'm paying taxes that fund everything i'm against.

A public school, by law, does not have the right to deny/expel any student unless they are infringing upon their rules. Now, when the school's rules are infringing upon rights protected by the constitution... That's another matter.

The only stakeholders in this aren't the students, the school administrators, and the parents. US taxpayers also have a horse in the race.

Besides, even if there were some sort of form making people waive their constitutionally protected rights away for access to the school, the document would not be legitimate as it itself infringes upon their constitutional rights.

According to that logic of yours, Hamster, a person has every right to enslave someone as long as they get them to sign a release form, in exchange for mediocre products or something stupid. Constitutional rights are protected regardless of whether or not the person signs a document relinquishing them, as the document is not recognized by law. Any attempt to get the document notarized would fail miserably.

You cannot restrict people's access to government subsidized public institutions, regardless of what rules the stupid administration of that institution seeks to impose, if they infringe upon constitutional rights(severe redundancy at this point).

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Hamster, you made an entirely incorrect statement.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
The people who thought this up should be fired.

Blatant constitutional violation. The school has absolutely no rights to have this kind of rule, as it infringes upon an individuals right of liberty. If they want to skip, let them skip, if they want to fail, let them fail. It is their right to do so. There are better ways of encouraging kids to follow the rules. If my kids were going to that school, I would sue the school for violating their constitutional rights, and I suggest that anyone who does go there/is a parent of a child that attends that school gets a lawyer and sues the school.

How does this infringe on rights of liberty?

These are tracking chips, they do nothing to limit where someone can go or what they can do.

There is no infringement.
Originally Posted by Hamster View Post
The school has every right to do this, provided the students and parents sign a release form that gives the chip tracking legality.

The school also has the right to expell/ not admit students who don't abide by or sign the release form.

It's not a mandatory action infringing on their civil rights, its a choice they can make if they want to attend that school.

I don't see the problem on wearing these. If you sign the waver and you agree to what is happening, what's the problem? The only reason people get mad at shit like this is because they're always trying to hide their actions. It's no different then if a cop pulls you over. People get mad because they got pulled over (some actually think because it's them being racist) but if you have nothing to hide why get mad? I've been pulled over in a car with my dad, my dad talked with the officer for about a minute the officer told him the reason why and just left it at that.

So what the fuck is the difference? If you can explain where you are without worrying about hiding some devious intent. Why the fuck should you care where the school thinks your at? Also delquients shouldn't have the freedom like normal school going kids, they have proved to soceity that they are not going to abide by to authority. Why should we give them the same things normal kids do? It's no different then a inmate to a law abiding citizen.
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I wasn't arguing with Hamster I was simplying using his quote for refernce, also excuse the spelling... I'm a bit tired in this post.
But in all reality... I think I might be insane...
If they agree to it, no problem. Just make it an option, that's fine.

However, I can see why I myself would agree to it, as with such a tool, it could be very easy to deceive your position whilst having no one actually watching for you.
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The main problem I have with this is that it's every student being made to wear the tracking chips, not just those causing problems.

Now, this is strictly my opinion and as such has the potential of being incorrect, however I do believe that having all students be forced to wear these chips or face harsh consequences is just wrong.
You may argue that if they have nothing to hide then there isn't a problem with wearing them - this is true, but IMHO it is no justification. The problem with this is that it portrays the school as mistrusting its own students, which is not conducive to providing a good learning environment.

If, however, a student has proven that they cannot be trusted to attend class and is frequently absent then I do approve of these chips - begrudgingly.
They may be effective but the idea of having your location tracked by a 3rd party at all times is just too unsettling for me.
(inb4 someone brings up "Oh but you can be tracked at any time via your phone and wi-fi access points etc...")

But we must remember that this isn't a nationwide issue at the moment. If they or their parents don't like them being made to wear the chips, they can always move schools to somewhere which does not do this. Enough people leaving or complaining should show them that people aren't comfortable with the idea.

In fact this reminds me of the whole SOPA/PIPA debacle where the US Government tried to justify investigating websites (even those outside US Jurisdiction) for piracy of US copyrighted items, justified by "If you've got nothing to hide, then you don't have a problem". (Was that SOPA/PIPA? I don't quite remember...)
Last edited by 4zb41; Oct 10, 2012 at 01:41 PM.
Originally Posted by 4zb41 View Post
The main problem I have with this is that it's every student being made to wear the tracking chips, not just those causing problems.

Do you think USA's much stricter airline regulations did anything to prevent 9/11?

No - because the new regulations came in after the problem happened.

You need to try and prevent problems rather than just over regulate once the problem has already occurred.
Thats crazy I would have moved schools
Its to much of a privacy breech
Violation of citizens rights although you d loose some right when you enter a public school
Last edited by kball; Oct 31, 2012 at 03:24 AM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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