Originally Posted by shooter190
Don't worry, I completely understand that you are defending your point. Anyways, I do understand there is a difference between an radicals and non-radicals. I believe that there needs to be some sort of something that needs to be done to control them. (I'm not sure if this is drifting away from the main focus of the thread or not)
Then I would say not to blame religion as the issue causing those hate crimes and such, but instead those extremists. There isn't something the needs to be done to control them (I mean yeah, that needs to be done) but the first step is to identify the extremists from the moderate practitioners.
I don't think God is real due to the lack of evidence supporting for him and the strong amount of evidence to support the big bang theory.
A Catholic priest founded the bbt.
The Big Bang Theory does not disprove God, it disproves the argument that God needs to exist to create the Earth.
Plus, I don't think that the Earth is as young as the Christians believe. The evidence to support the fact that this Earth is much older than 6000 years old is also there.
I believe only certain fundamentalist Christians believe that, and I don't see any legitimate support behind that belief.
I also don't think that Jesus was ever real.
Take what you will from that theory, since you can apply it to really any other figure from history. The farthest person to have written records about Jesus of Nazareth was Paul of Tarsus who can easily be said to be, "in on it."
The Bible was also translated many times. They translate from the original, translate from the translated, translate from the next translated, translate from the next translate, etc. With the number of times it was translated, there must be at least SOME translation errors, considering the fact that they didn't have any of the modern technology to fix such errors. It's kind of like one really big game of telephone. No one can even FIND the original anymore, making it impossible to know if the original text is anywhere close to what modern Bibles say today.
My first question would be why?
Much of the knowledge from the early area of Christianity was kept through the Middle Ages by Christians.
My second question would be how it is possible to mistranslate something, even over that period of time, especially when we still have some early copies of the manuscripts.
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Originally Posted by RayA75
Then I would say not to blame religion as the issue causing those hate crimes and such, but instead those extremists. There isn't something the needs to be done to control them (I mean yeah, that needs to be done) but the first step is to identify the extremists from the moderate practitioners.
Right, well, lets just entirely forget the Crusades... And the Spanish inquisition... and the persecution of everyone else who disagreed or discovered something which would debunk something established by the church... and the siege mentality that led to "the war on christmas". Violence has been the culture behind christianity and other religions for centuries, it certainly isn't any different now regardless of how you look at it. For instance, why do people in the middle east, particularly Muslims, hate America? The issue isn't solely Israel's existence, as much as people like to think that. The West represents the devil. To them, we are Satan, we are all that is wrong with the world, and it justifies harming us. What about the hatred towards western Muslims? They are short of crucified for their beliefs, as are the majority of athiests.
A Catholic priest founded the bbt.
The Big Bang Theory does not disprove God, it disproves the argument that God needs to exist to create the Earth.
The big bang theory has recently come under scrutiny, and I assure you, it will be debunked before long. I'm certain that in our lifetimes, we will encounter many theories regarding the beginning of our universe, each becoming more perfect, and having less unexplained kinks.
I believe only certain fundamentalist Christians believe that, and I don't see any legitimate support behind that belief.
Typical. Picking and choosing what beliefs you should hold out of the ones your religion entails? Absolutely typical.
Take what you will from that theory, since you can apply it to really any other figure from history. The farthest person to have written records about Jesus of Nazareth was Paul of Tarsus who can easily be said to be, "in on it."
I agree with you on this. By far one of the dumbest theories i've ever read about anything.
My first question would be why?
Much of the knowledge from the early area of Christianity was kept through the Middle Ages by Christians.
My second question would be how it is possible to mistranslate something, even over that period of time, especially when we still have some early copies of the manuscripts.
First off, it was written by scribes, as an interpretation of what god told them. An interpretation. Of what god told them. Think that over. Now, imagine having to translate that entirely by hand. It isn't that hard to realize how something can be entirely mistranslated. I've read the new testament and the old testament in Albanian and English, and, frankly put, they differed.
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Right, well, lets just entirely forget the Crusades... And the Spanish inquisition... and the persecution of everyone else who disagreed or discovered something which would debunk something established by the church... and the siege mentality that led to "the war on christmas". Violence has been the culture behind christianity and other religions for centuries, it certainly isn't any different now regardless of how you look at it. For instance, why do people in the middle east, particularly Muslims, hate America? The issue isn't solely Israel's existence, as much as people like to think that. The West represents the devil. To them, we are Satan, we are all that is wrong with the world, and it justifies harming us. What about the hatred towards western Muslims? They are short of crucified for their beliefs, as are the majority of athiests.
Violence has not been the culture of Christianity itself, but has rather been a method of control that those in the power, religious and political alike, has used to keep things the way they wanted it. The Crusades were called to unite Christendom under one flag against one common enemy; the Inquisition was called to root out those in the government who were part of the religion that the government demanded they be to be in office and who were not. As for your example of Muslims hating the West, I know little about that but from what I understand you seem to be spot on. I don't know where the representation of the West as evil came from, and I don't know why a large amount of all the culturally diverse Muslims hold to it so vehemently.
And yeah, scientific theories change and new ones come about, but as different means to an end. One will replace the big bang theory, and explain what the big bang theory explained in a better way somehow.
Typical. Picking and choosing what beliefs you should hold out of the ones your religion entails? Absolutely typical.
Personally, my religion held as a tradition that the earth was 6000 years old, it's not a held truth in catechism or anything like that. It was orally passed down whisperings. I don't know the apologetic defense of someone whose religion considered that belief to be doctrine, maybe you should ask one, I'm not one of those people.
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Originally Posted by RayA75
it's not a held truth in catechism or anything like that
Are you sure? Last time we got in to what was and wasn't in the catechism you ended up quite surprised at the number of inconsistencies, surprises, and downright contradictions.
The existence of the catechism is exactly why religion is the bane of humanity - why do people trust such a repository instead of peer reviewed journals?
Such a violent mind controlling religion. Back in it's hey-day Christianity was more like a cult then a "religion", luckily they managed to weevil themselves in to the definition of religion in order to appear legitimate.
My opinion is that any person belonging to a religion that shuns logic and reason should be treated as extremely suspicious. They should not be allowed to hold public office, nor teach or work in any critical industries. There's no telling what someone who believes in magic might do, or what personal opinions they may impose upon their work.
Originally Posted by ImmortalCow
Are you sure? Last time we got in to what was and wasn't in the catechism you ended up quite surprised at the number of inconsistencies, surprises, and downright contradictions.
The existence of the catechism is exactly why religion is the bane of humanity - why do people trust such a repository instead of peer reviewed journals?
Such a violent mind controlling religion. Back in it's hey-day Christianity was more like a cult then a "religion", luckily they managed to weevil themselves in to the definition of religion in order to appear legitimate.
My opinion is that any person belonging to a religion that shuns logic and reason should be treated as extremely suspicious. They should not be allowed to hold public office, nor teach or work in any critical industries. There's no telling what someone who believes in magic might do, or what personal opinions they may impose upon their work.
But, the problem is that most religious people are not entirely convicted in their religion.But, it is more of a cushion, and a sort of we do it...cause people do it.I live in a religious region(a christian one).And, it is a society which is
in tolerate of atheists.
So, that kinda reinforces this religion(cult)..call it what you will.I see no reason why religious people should not take any parts of public offices etc..as long as they are professional etc..But on the other hand, I agree that their shouldn't be any seats in the Parliament dedicated for bishops blabla...
Now, to the discussion of religions.
Christianity:
It is rare to find a person who reads the bible in it's original language.Translation mistakes might have occurred(in contrast with the Quran which is almost read by all Muslims in the original language).All the events that happened in the bible are not verifiable; although, history supports the bible in a sense.Since, it has proven the existence of several characters in the bible.However, their are absurd part in the bibles, and several inconsistencies that you can read about anywhere.Absurd parts such as where Jesus orders Abraham to sacrifice his son.
An important thing for me is that some people claim that the bible and evolution can coexist.I'd like an explanation for that.
Islam:
The Islamic religion is in the Arabic language and is read by all Islams in that language which is good.But, it also has immoralities that I would never accept.
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"It is not permitted thee to take other wives hereafter, nor to change they present wives for other women, though their beauty charm thee, except slaves whom thy right hand shall possess. And God watcheth all things." Sura 33:52
"And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is Gracious, Merciful." Sura 9:5 (that one is brilliant!)
Women/men inequality:
i) Women have to follow a modest dress code, whereas men do not have to
ii) Prophet Mohamed said they are lacking in brain and religion and the majority of Hell's residents are women.
iii) Men get 72 virgin girls in heaven, women do not.
iv) When it comes to testimony in courts, women testify in pairs, as one man testimony is equivalent to 2 women in Islamic courts.
v) Women inherit half as much as their male counterparts.
vi) They are not allowed to travel without a male companion and cannot pray in mosques alongside men. They have to go to the back of the mosque or preferably pray at home with their children.
Homophobic quotes:
"We also sent Lut : He said to his people : "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." Qur'an 7:80-81
"What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are forward folk." Qur'an 26:165
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I think that's about enough for Islam.Their is no way I could ignore such quotes.
So, yeah.What other religions are there that we can talk about?
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