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toribash 5.0 standalone commercial F2P version
WARNING!
first of all, i would like to state it clearly. all what you will read down there is concept and vision of standalone toribash and commercial vision of game. not an upgrade or iteration of existing one, due drastic changes which are quite gamebreaking at current point.
so to give you a quick idea of what my vision on toribash 5.0 ( it may be even re-branded and get different name ) is to make game to look more like orginary f2p game which may be even profitable.
1) no free market
2) control over mods
3) player worlds - this is one of customization features.
4) graphical upgrades - game should look solid and appealing. some commercial look. not a alpha-beta-proof of concept. AA and that sort of stuff.
5) gameplay mechanics
6) servers.
7) friends system i described it earlier and i will link it here again. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24204278/TO/frnd.png
8 )Farming-proof clan ranking system:
more ideas http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=385958
first of all, i would like to state it clearly. all what you will read down there is concept and vision of standalone toribash and commercial vision of game. not an upgrade or iteration of existing one, due drastic changes which are quite gamebreaking at current point.
so to give you a quick idea of what my vision on toribash 5.0 ( it may be even re-branded and get different name ) is to make game to look more like orginary f2p game which may be even profitable.
1) no free market
no free market
2) control over mods
control over mods
3) player worlds - this is one of customization features.
player worlds
4) graphical upgrades - game should look solid and appealing. some commercial look. not a alpha-beta-proof of concept. AA and that sort of stuff.
5) gameplay mechanics
gameplay
6) servers.
servers
7) friends system i described it earlier and i will link it here again. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24204278/TO/frnd.png
8 )Farming-proof clan ranking system:
clan raning
more ideas http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=385958
Last edited by snob; Dec 24, 2012 at 03:00 PM.
You need to cut down on the pot if you think taking away the market is a good idea now nabi have added it they can't take it away cause they would lose members which ATM they can't afford to do, I agree on most of the other points tho
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Originally Posted by SkulFuk
No free market? Wut? That goes against one of TB's main things - the majority of the active community lives around the market.
basicly you just stated that the core population of toribash insterested mostly in market other then the game. is toribash a turnbased fighting game or idealistic concurency simulation iwth typical products? may be may be there should be another game called "market'?
and fuck core population. due core population we are bounded to shit hardware, can't get 4 players mode, and can't get any game breaing new features because core population consist of children who play on ancient old bro pc. do you really think they have any payability?
if most of income comes from forum vip it means that the game economy is fucked.
all customization s optional and don't affect ingame effectivity, so i see no reason to keep free market. toribash 5.0 polished, no free market + steam greenlight and here we go. no need to care about people that doesn't bring you money, but instead focusing to appeal more people with fresh concept instead of "you can run this game on dinosaur pc and there is a free market so you don't need to spend money on customization which are optional and have no benefits anyway"
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
Control over mods. So you think stopping new players experiencing other game modes is a good thing... K... Lay off the crack pipe yo. Next ¬_¬
no, i think that there should be limited ammount of mods and the only mods that get on mod list are approved and have descent quality other then 9000+ shit mods where atleast 30% of them are just copy of another mods.
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
Player worlds. I see shaders are part of it. You are aware that at most players don't have hardware capable of running shaders right? The same could be applied to atmospheres - they can cause a pretty heavy hit on performance. You also wont find users willing to pay for things that have been free since they were added. If users want their own shaders or atmospheres they can make them, fuck charging them for it.
as i said, this is my vision of tb 5.0 as separate game, not an upgrade. turn off that mentality. we are talking about "new" different game.
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
Graphical upgrades. See the above & also think about why the game has the graphical style it has. (hint - it's because hampa wants it to look like that)
because if he will upgrade it core population of children on ancient pc would not be able to play it?
as i said, fuck em. they have payability near nill, so better focus on people who play/ will play toribash because of fresh concept.
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
Gameplay mechanics. Some of those aren't terrible, but a Gmod reference? *shudders* Sure TB's physics engine is pretty guff, but it's functional. Just imagine how horridly it'd run if something more advanced was added. TBH You'd do better having a separate suggestion thread for that stuff.
gmod refference was used to explain mnechanics of grab onbly. i wasn't mentioning or intending to mention anything else. please, read carefully.
and it will run horridly only on low end pc.
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
Servers... I read "the more skillfum mod is the more tc you earn" & seriously spat tea across my keyboard. Aside from the typo, care to explain that? I'll stop you before you try - it's subjective, you can't define a solid list of mods that require more skill because each person has their own idea of what applies.
I'm going to ignore everything in there relating to TC, because it's stupid. If there was a problem in that regard then it would've already been sorted.
Forced server filtering has been discussed, but for different reasons (new mods vs old clients). Generic filtering is already in 4.3 beta, so to be expected in future releases.
stupid or not, but as far as i understand almost noone spend money at torishop to buy tc to get items. instead people buy it from marketeers, and spend money on forums due better profitability. thats totally not a problem.
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
There's already plans for clan rankings, though since clans have little purpose & it's low priority it'll be on the waiting list for a while. I did lol at the idea of farming ranks, which then made me lol at the idea of clans giving a fuck about their rank.
if you don't care about clan rank doesn't mean that everyone else too. there were lots of clans who were farming their rank on noob clans. hell, even we did so.
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
I'll finish with some words to the wise: Just because you see another game doing something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do for all games. 90% of your ideas are based around MMO/MOBA stuff, they're different genres with different player bases. Games are run on methods that are best for that game in particular. And oh yeah, box is right.
my ideas aren't based around mmo or moba games, since i don't play moba or mmo games, but somewhat common sense.
we have a game where items have only decoration purpose and don't affect your gameplay effectivity. i see no reason at all to have free market. if you want to look fancy - donate. you don't have to, but it will take some time to get what you want.
try to think of it as new game, other then upgrade to existing one.
no free market, fixed mod list, friend system, some gameplay and graphical improvements and toribash is ready for greenlight and some fresh blood.
and it will be even profitable
Christ 99% of this isn't worth responding to so I'll stick to a few points.
No one said that, it's just you assuming that's the case. You don't have to be a mathematical genius to understand how that couldn't possibly be the case.
Mods are made by users because that's what the users want to play. It's part of the game's core and is there for a reason. Modding has been expanded over the years to encourage users to make more, to try new things, and to play the game in the way they want. Having a strangle hold over content isn't a good thing, if it was then we'd be constantly prodding the mod list ourselves.
You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between version numbers & separate games/sequels.
X.YY X=major release version number Y=point release number
Thus compatibility is kept as close to complete between version, yes some newer things wont work on older clients (as to be expected) but because it's all 1 game the main core is kept as compatible as possible.
5.0 would merely be the 5th major release of Toribash, not the 5th Toribash game. Much like TB 4.3 is the 4th major release with smaller updates taking it a a 3rd point release.
K, turning off the mentality that wasn't there... Which I already stated in the 1st paragraph of my post. I'd already assumed you we're talking about a different game and if you'd read through things correctly you'd have spotted that.
You seem to be missing the point - most the players are kids on old/low spec machines. This isn't the commercial market, you aim for getting as many people as possible, not for swinging your 5000k poly e-dick around the room to show how many GPU cycles it requires to render it's bellend.
And of course finally:
Seriously? Fuck the "core population". You should make a game yourself & use that attitude just to see how wrong it is.
3/4 player was originally shitcanned because it was shit. It was tested, it sucked, it was killed. The community's boom of crap computers was long after that. Hampa even stated that it sucked so was removed on the video interview he did.
Game breaking isn't done because that isn't how this end of the gaming market works. Isolating existing users is a no-no, and removing their ability to play is worse. Why would people bother spending money here again if they thought that everything they'd paid for would be lost the moment a dev decided it was going to change something?
And yeah they have "payability", there's these wonderful things called scratch cards that people buy in shops, then they trade them for virtual currency. Thinking that young people can't/don't pay for stuff in a game is beyond deluded - there are games designed for kids that use the exact same payment methods. Guess they're all gonna fail because kids. Debit/credit cards aren't the only way people pay for things here.
Originally Posted by snob
if most of income comes from forum vip it means that the game economy is fucked.
No one said that, it's just you assuming that's the case. You don't have to be a mathematical genius to understand how that couldn't possibly be the case.
Originally Posted by snob
no, i think that there should be limited ammount of mods and the only mods that get on mod list are approved and have descent quality other then 9000+ shit mods where atleast 30% of them are just copy of another mods.
Mods are made by users because that's what the users want to play. It's part of the game's core and is there for a reason. Modding has been expanded over the years to encourage users to make more, to try new things, and to play the game in the way they want. Having a strangle hold over content isn't a good thing, if it was then we'd be constantly prodding the mod list ourselves.
Originally Posted by snob
as i said, this is my vision of tb 5.0 as separate game, not an upgrade.
You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between version numbers & separate games/sequels.
X.YY X=major release version number Y=point release number
Thus compatibility is kept as close to complete between version, yes some newer things wont work on older clients (as to be expected) but because it's all 1 game the main core is kept as compatible as possible.
5.0 would merely be the 5th major release of Toribash, not the 5th Toribash game. Much like TB 4.3 is the 4th major release with smaller updates taking it a a 3rd point release.
Originally Posted by snob
turn off that mentality. we are talking about "new" different game.
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
I honestly can't decide if you think that stuff's a good idea or if you're expecting Toribash 2 - because that sure as hell aint a version difference you're looking at, it's a whole other game.
K, turning off the mentality that wasn't there... Which I already stated in the 1st paragraph of my post. I'd already assumed you we're talking about a different game and if you'd read through things correctly you'd have spotted that.
Originally Posted by snob
because if he will upgrade it core population of children on ancient pc would not be able to play it?
as i said, fuck em. they have payability near nill, so better focus on people who play/ will play toribash because of fresh concept.
You seem to be missing the point - most the players are kids on old/low spec machines. This isn't the commercial market, you aim for getting as many people as possible, not for swinging your 5000k poly e-dick around the room to show how many GPU cycles it requires to render it's bellend.
And of course finally:
Originally Posted by snob
and fuck core population. due core population we are bounded to shit hardware, can't get 4 players mode, and can't get any game breaing new features because core population consist of children who play on ancient old bro pc. do you really think they have any payability?
Seriously? Fuck the "core population". You should make a game yourself & use that attitude just to see how wrong it is.
3/4 player was originally shitcanned because it was shit. It was tested, it sucked, it was killed. The community's boom of crap computers was long after that. Hampa even stated that it sucked so was removed on the video interview he did.
Game breaking isn't done because that isn't how this end of the gaming market works. Isolating existing users is a no-no, and removing their ability to play is worse. Why would people bother spending money here again if they thought that everything they'd paid for would be lost the moment a dev decided it was going to change something?
And yeah they have "payability", there's these wonderful things called scratch cards that people buy in shops, then they trade them for virtual currency. Thinking that young people can't/don't pay for stuff in a game is beyond deluded - there are games designed for kids that use the exact same payment methods. Guess they're all gonna fail because kids. Debit/credit cards aren't the only way people pay for things here.
<Erf> SkulFuk: gf just made a toilet sniffing joke at me
<Erf> i think
<Erf> i think i hate you
