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Originally Posted by NormalCitizen View Post
Self control issues, brain disorders, teenage rebellion due to (or not due to) pop culture, curiosity, clinical depression, boredom, laziness, first world brat disorder, peer pressure, addiction (due to all of the above), self loathing, and bets.

Just to name a few causes of why those things can happen.

Of course these are all possibilities and actual reasons, but there are also just idiots and those who simply say because i wanted to. The point of that statement wasn't trying to figure out why these things happen though, but to point out that humans are not very logical nor predictable by nature. Not to mention that there are too many variables for any two people to truly be alike, depending on how much the small differences mean in each persons opinion.
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Im guessing your DNA and your hormones control what and who you are.
you have intrest in many things. your sexual hormones control when you like a girl or not.
nerves control what you hear, taste, smell and see.
I srsly dunno what else i have to say.
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Um, I almost don't want to get into this one...

I am unique because I have chosen to be. I am similar because I have chosen to be. I don't remember making these choices but I did make them at some point in my life. I have friends and we enjoy the same things, though I am an oddity in my local community as a whole. These are social choices that we make growing up, even if some are made for us. The coolest thing about being human though, we can change if we want to.

To sum up; we are a reflection of our choices, which can really only be evaluated by our environment. For example, I am not the 'same person' here that I am at work and they are both different from when I am at work even though I still operate as me.
For the most part, I agree with a lot of what has been said. But I've been wondering further as well:
What distinguishes us as a person at one point in time in comparison to another?

For example, you are who you are right now. Your thoughts, feelings, personality, perceptions, the atoms in your body, and intellect are all what makes you, you. But in twenty years many of these things will be changed. What if in twenty years, you're blind. Your personality could be different. The cells and atoms composing your body would have died and its offspring have taken their place (other than nervous cells, whatever). Would you still be the same person you are now?
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No, you wouldn't be, Ray. In fact, by the time you have finished reading this, you will no longer be the person you were before doing so, as more information will be inputted into your brain, thus altering what was initially there, as slight as it may be.

I suppose you can't exactly be a person until your personality no longer exists to be altered and can only be remembered. Or perhaps that is wrong. I don't know.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
*If I grew up in a poorer environment, would I be a fundamentally different person? *Would I not be me, or even relate to me?




It's a really difficult question that I find I can't completely tackle, and I would appreciate your thoughts on the subject.

There was an old study of the personalities of identical twins separated at birth that kind of relates to this question. Basically, It revealed some personality traits were more genetic than anything else. Experiences and environments had a slight affect on how they acted as individuals, but there were still major similarities between the twins regarding interests, morals and beliefs in some odd way.

This kind of ties into the idea that a person is still the same person after any type of experience. Whether hurt emotionally or physically, or brought up in a completely different environment.
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Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
No, you wouldn't be, Ray. In fact, by the time you have finished reading this, you will no longer be the person you were before doing so, as more information will be inputted into your brain, thus altering what was initially there, as slight as it may be.

I suppose you can't exactly be a person until your personality no longer exists to be altered and can only be remembered. Or perhaps that is wrong. I don't know.

I disagree.

Even though the information in my brain has been altered, it still takes place in my same brain. I still have the memories of beginning to read your post as well.

In many ways, I am changed in minute ways. I am also the same in several ways.

Avoiding the dichotomy you've proposed, I'll suggest my own answer to the question.

Yes, I am the same in come ways, but not in others.
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Can't remember who said it, but some wise guy said once "You are the sum of your experiences". I tend to agree with that. Tabula Rasa and all that jazz.

If that is actually true, then you would have changed Ray, because you just had a new experience reading Hyde's posts.

Interestingly, though, new advancements in science are starting to challenge this viewpoint. 'Epigenetic Inheritance' is basically where you're parents environmental factors and traits affect you're very own DNA. Link to article. It's controversial, but if the phenomenon the scientists witnessed wasn't a fluke, then that leads to some pretty big implications.
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Originally Posted by Turtlenecks View Post
If that is actually true, then you would have changed Ray, because you just had a new experience reading Hyde's posts.

Yes, I know. How does this constitute the change into an entirely different person who is different from the one who began the experience of reading the post though?

Originally Posted by iNarwal View Post
Im guessing your DNA and your hormones control what and who you are.
you have intrest in many things. your sexual hormones control when you like a girl or not.
nerves control what you hear, taste, smell and see.
I srsly dunno what else i have to say.

Being a dualist, I don't see it so (I'm just going to glaze over that, as I don't want this thread to turn into "is there a soul?" Basically, a dualist believes in the existence of a soul that acts separately of the brain/body to produce the intellect). While hormones and DNA can affect how one makes a decision, I do not think that they are direct causes of everyone's actions. I believe that a person's intellect is the direct cause of every single action we perform, and I believe that it is unique in that the intellect is an uncaused cause. Many things can influence one's intellect toward making a decision or performing an action, but only the intellect itself can act directly and cause it.
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