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Originally Posted by deprav View Post
And why the feck not ? The original role of the Police is supposed to be "protect & serve" (the citizens), but Police is turning into a fascistic (& militarized) entity protecting the government(s) from the people.

But then again, as fascistic Police can be, it's only men and women, some are more responsible and conscious about their role and use, some just enjoy having authority and impunity and had nothing else to do in their life. We can't judge the entire police corp, tho we can judge people giving directives, using police to serve a politic of numbers and statistics etc...

Also I'm really not sure the death of Mike Brown has something to do with racism, we'll never know. But there sure is an ambiant smell of racism all over the place , because people are stupid and uneducated, it doesn't matter if they're cops or civilians.

Uh, cops are trying to protect people from looters and rioters. It's the police's job, and they are doing it.

Originally Posted by deprav View Post
Wow that's wrong, I know you didn't mean to but that's a bit shocking.

While it's unfortunate that businesses have been looted and burnt down, there's no need to kill a young man.

Your innocent comment reveals a deep dangerous aspect of why things go this way : human life doesn't have much importance anymore, actually life in general doesn't have much importance.
Some people just can't take it anymore, and some only know violence to answer with. That's a sad observation, but we actually live in a sad world for most people.

Um, the kid got killed first, not the looting.

Violence is not the answer. Degenerating to looting and rioting is not the answer.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
@ Gum

First point :

A few businesses aren't worth one's man life, as you said there are laws, expeditive death sentence for material damages ain't one. Plus, most business owner have insurances, and the state should pay for the material damages. It might be better than spending billions of dollars in weaponery and redistributing unused military artillery to local police forces.

Second point :

As I said, sadly some people only know violence to answer with. And for those who don't, courts and long lawsuits cost a lot of money that I doubt those people have.

@ Gorman

Uh, cops are trying to protect people from looters and rioters. It's the police's job, and they are doing it.

Yeah they did, but they did a sloppy job since it got worst, they used excessive violence and a man got killed, and it's not justifiable. It's explainable, but not justifiable.

Um, the kid got killed first, not the looting.

Violence is not the answer. Degenerating to looting and rioting is not the answer.

Yeah and people generally riot for a reason, the kid's death is one more reason to keep rioting.

It sure isn't THE answer, but it's theirs, and it's pretty much legit.
It's not Walmart's fault the kid got shot. It's not QuikTrip's fault, it's not the beautician's fault, or ANY of the businesses that were looted's fault. Not a single business had anything to do with the shooting, so it's pathetic that the community is taking all of their frustration out on their OWN COMMUNITY. These businesses are going to pack up and move somewhere else, and then Ferguson is gonna complain about that, too.

What you don't know know is that North City is the most dangerous place in the country. Last year, there were over 13k robberies in the city, 3k assaults, 113 murders and 200 rapes. You have a 1 in 56 chance of being a victim of a violent crime in Saint Louis, and a 1 in 14 chance of being a victim of property crime, and 80% of that crime happens in North Saint Louis [Ferguson is in North Saint Louis]. I hear gunshots every day. Every day. It's become part of my daily life. So, the community was already shit. The dead boy is only an excuse to continue doing what already happens on the daily, only more widescale.
Last edited by Judas; Aug 15, 2014 at 10:04 PM.
Originally Posted by deprav View Post
Yeah they did, but they did a sloppy job since it got worst, they used excessive violence and a man got killed, and it's not justifiable. It's explainable, but not justifiable.

You said they shouldn't do it, not they should do it better.

Originally Posted by deprav View Post
Yeah and people generally riot for a reason, the kid's death is one more reason to keep rioting.

It sure isn't THE answer, but it's theirs, and it's pretty much legit.

Committing crime against innocent 3rd parties is not justified.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
I'm not sure if deprav just hasn't caught on to the timeline of events, or is just using the pretext of riots to go on another one of his "fuck da police anarchy is da shit fck ur authority" rants.
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Yeah I didn't get the timeline when I first posted, didn't read much about it.

You said they shouldn't do it, not they should do it better.

I was being a tad sarcastic when I said they should let them loot, but yeah I know I could have made it more obvious. All this to say, Police job ain't easy and there's a thin line when it comes to protect and serve the citizens : looters and rioters are citizens too, and one of their lives isn't worth the material damages that the police tried to stop (and obviously made worst) when they killed that young man.

My other point is, people ending up riotting and using violence is a logical consequence of the environment the goverment is letting them rott in. They grow in poverty, lack of jobs, lack of access to culture, lack of schooling etc... they don't have the money to afford lawsuits, and if people grow up in violence most of them will likely use violence to try to solve their problems.
It's the snake biting its own tail : government ignore the poverty and the human griding machine > poor people grow up in harsh reality and violence > they become fed up of being outcasts and crave for decent lives for them and their kids > no one will help them > they use violence to protest and demonstrate their anger, or commit crimes & felony to replace a job they don't have > government answers with more violence > start over.

Add to that the politicians surfing the wave of anger and say they'll help them to get some votes, making promises they won't be able to keep... people are feeling let down, because they are.
Laws are not decided on an adhoc basis. If 10 people decide that it's ok to murder people, that doesn't create a magical field around them, within which police will aid them on their quest. That's not how it works - just because some people decided to loot and burn doesn't mean the police should allow them, let alone actively support them!

Randomly being violent and destructive is not progressive not useful.

Now that videos of Mike stealing before he was shot have surfaced, it's likely that the reliability of the statement of his criminal friend will no longer be trusted.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
A character assassination is not a substitute for an investigation. Even if the victim and witness are criminals, shooting when a suspect has surrendered is illegal, and warrants an investigation. The claim from an unreliable witness can be suspect, but it's a serious enough claim that the investigation should be performed regardless of witness reliability.
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Indeed, I agree.

I was more referring to the community's blind faith that police are just black-hating murderers, and that Mike was a saint.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Yeah, that was a bad move to publicly release that one that way. Each and every incident is a separate charge. Even if they were forced to release, the police could have explained that they're being released only as information regarding the prior whereabouts of Brown, in order to aid the investigation on the incident of the shooting.

Also, no comments on how anonymous may have targeted the wrong person as the shooter?