HTOTM: FUSION
I think that it shouldn't change one bit, just because an NFL player commits these crimes doesn't mean that the head man of the NFL should be given the responsibility to punish said person. However, if the team goes a head and cuts him for doing such things then that decision is on them.

The judge should have to decide whether or not he can continue to play, having the commissioner deal with this, on top of the police is wrong.
When you're famous like a football player you're an inspiration and a figure head of a sport, when you fuck up outside of work, you're still a football player an inspiration and a figure head whether you like it or not.
Same with school you're a student about to graduate and if you're doing drugs in public places outside of school and a teacher sees you it should be up to them on what should be done to keep a certain image on their school after all you are graduating from their school.
To think you can do illegal activities in public places and expect it not to effect your work is kind of dumb. No employer wants an idiot working for them even if they are good workers, it's too much of a liability and a potential risk in the future.
Last edited by T0ribush; Sep 23, 2014 at 08:39 PM.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
In a perfect world I agree with this. It's unrelated to his job so why would he be fired because of it. In almost any job this is the way it works - you can't fire something for something that does not impact their job.

But considering the amount of activists there are these days, they will lobby and protest and make a huge problem. I know it's cancerous to start giving in to these people, but I can see why it's the easiest course of action.


You can get fired just for being accused of domestic violence? I think that's a problem

I believe Oracle has already stated something like this, but let me give it a shot.

For the most part, domestic violence is illegal. If you work for a company/organization that holds you to high expectations such as the NFL, or as a high ranking executive, doing illegal things (and getting caught) is a pretty good way to get terminated. Besides the bad publicity and apparent moral precedent that could follow suit for the organization, it could also disrupt the teamwork inside the organization. As in, it's likely that people in the organization working with the individual in question probably have a problem with the behaviors he has been accused of. Furthermore, if you, as an organization, are responsible for the individual, backing away from their situation by suspending them could limit your involvement in their judicial processes.

On a lesser note, another reasons organization typically frown on violent or illegal behavior is because behaviors tend to be reoccurring. If you can get pissed and hit your wife, it shows something about your personality that could reasonably worry someone responsible for you. What it shows may or may not be accurate, but that's irrelevant in the subject of perception.
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Originally Posted by Thorn View Post
I believe Oracle has already stated something like this, but let me give it a shot.

For the most part, domestic violence is illegal. If you work for a company/organization that holds you to high expectations such as the NFL, or as a high ranking executive, doing illegal things (and getting caught) is a pretty good way to get terminated. Besides the bad publicity and apparent moral precedent that could follow suit for the organization, it could also disrupt the teamwork inside the organization. As in, it's likely that people in the organization working with the individual in question probably have a problem with the behaviors he has been accused of. Furthermore, if you, as an organization, are responsible for the individual, backing away from their situation by suspending them could limit your involvement in their judicial processes.

On a lesser note, another reasons organization typically frown on violent or illegal behavior is because behaviors tend to be reoccurring. If you can get pissed and hit your wife, it shows something about your personality that could reasonably worry someone responsible for you. What it shows may or may not be accurate, but that's irrelevant in the subject of perception.

Better fire all minorities too because people don't work as well with people of different race. Also make everyone look the same if possible, have a uniform and oh yeah fire all of the minority genders.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Better fire all minorities too because people don't work as well with people of different race. Also make everyone look the same if possible, have a uniform and oh yeah fire all of the minority genders.

Quit using strawman arguments.
Thank you.
Originally Posted by Redundant View Post
Quit using strawman arguments.
Thank you.

Dude it's called reducto ad absurdum. Come on man.

A strawman is when I misconstruct his argument to make it easier to attack, which coincidently is what you are doing, my argument was not a strawman, yet you pretended it is because it's easier to attack (unless it was an honest mistake). Another fallacy you just used is called argument from fallacy. That is, simply pointing out a fallacy is not enough to show the conclusion is incorrect.


Homogeny is proven to increase cohesiveness. Even if it's a but reducto ad absurdum, it's still a valid argument and you haven't done anything to disprove it.
Last edited by ImmortalPig; Sep 25, 2014 at 03:12 AM.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
Laying words in his mouth is a strawman. That's not important anyway, you did not use any form of objective reasoning but tried to ridicule someone you disagree with.
Stop posting about it. Stop doing what I asked you to do. Consequences will never be the same.
Feel free to challenge my verdict in complain about staff. Do not post in here.
That's not what a strawman is, and I wasn't putting words in his mouth.

Redundant pls, I just explained above why didn't you read...
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
The NFL - Time for a change?
As you all have probably seen or heard or read somewhere, there are domestic violence scandals blowing up all over the NFL, along with the child abuse scandals recently with Adrian Peterson and Jonathan Dwyer. many people are calling for the commissioner to step down, and for something to be done about this corrupt organization. Your thoughts? (Also, new information: The Ravens knew about the Ray Rice video in detail within hours of the attack)

Domestic violence has been documented at or before the 19th century. With the evolution of internet and social media I believe this generation has adapted to using these resources for public attention. This is something the NFL needs to adapt to. With the wide spread of viral videos streaming around social media they need to fix their rules and regulations to compensate for this change. The newspaper and tv/news was the source of information in the past and now with internet/social media, most information gets to people before it hits the newspaper/tv/news. The future of our privacy will be altered and everything we do will be scrutinized.

In the past if we witnessed something wrong, we couldn't grab our phone and record and post on facebook so that the incident will go viral. Most times we will notify proper authority (if any) and the incident will most likely be handled within its jurisdiction. It would not be as big like these present day issues.

I'm not saying that its bad to have social media and internet. In some aspects its safer to say that we have alternate means of communicating even if it means reporting crimes/incidences right on the spot. This is something that needs to be accepted and I don't believe calling for the commissioner to step down will be the best option. I believe refining the NFL morals and regulations is what will fix this issue.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
In almost any job this is the way it works - you can't fire something for something that does not impact their job.

Actually, many jobs are employee at will, which means the employer can fire for any reason he pleases so long as he abides anti-discrimination laws.
Of course, most jobs have employment contracts. Do you want to guess what most of these contracts stipulate as lawful grounds of termination? If you picked conviction of a crime, you win! This is also de facto just cause for non-contracted employee firing.

So no, you cannot beat your wife and demand you keep your job, legally and practically speaking. And ethically speaking, you shouldn't be able to anyway, so whether the law reflects that is pretty moot.
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