Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Does ownership of guns inherently make you a murderer? How come other countries can own guns and not have astronomical crime rates? This suggests it's a problem with the culture in USA.
Remember we are talking about gun laws in general, not just the USA.
And remember this thread is not about how to solve gun crime it is about what gun laws should be. I agree that the fastest way to stop people doing something is to stop kids growing up into that sort of person but this is not really what this thread is about. You are telling us how a society can reduce crime in general while the Thread Starter didn't mention crime, although gun crime and gun accidents are the only reason that gun laws need to be in place.
So is your argument that if society was improved gun restrictions could be much more relaxed? because this sort of makes sense, and does show that gun laws should be based on the society they apply too rather than there being a universal set of laws which work for every nation. If so then this is a relevant argument but nevertheless, try to focus on specific gun law rather than just general societal problems and crime rates.
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by protonitron
Remember we are talking about gun laws in general, not just the USA.
Well, that's harder to respond to since each country has a different society so they need different laws.
Originally Posted by protonitron
And remember this thread is not about how to solve gun crime it is about what gun laws should be. I agree that the fastest way to stop people doing something is to stop kids growing up into that sort of person but this is not really what this thread is about. You are telling us how a society can reduce crime in general while the Thread Starter didn't mention crime, although gun crime and gun accidents are the only reason that gun laws need to be in place.
What other reason is there to have laws other than to stop crime?
If you ask me what gun laws should be in a perfect world, there shouldn't be any.
Originally Posted by protonitron
So is your argument that if society was improved gun restrictions could be much more relaxed? because this sort of makes sense, and does show that gun laws should be based on the society they apply too rather than there being a universal set of laws which work for every nation. If so then this is a relevant argument but nevertheless, try to focus on specific gun law rather than just general societal problems and crime rates.
Yes, that's exactly it. A responsible society doesn't need gun laws, one that is irresponsible needs laws that are strictly enforced.
The point of laws is to enforce morality and fairness. If a society already has positive values, then there's no need to have those laws.
<Faint> the rules have been stated quite clearly 3 times now from high staff
So do schools just need to be better or do children need to be taught that guns are scary dangerous things? I don't think you can rely on people to treat guns with the respect and caution they deserve without being taught to do so from a young age. Especially with the relatively frequent possesion of guns in video games. I do not think that video games are a problem, just that they make a lot of things seem less dangerous (unless it is a horror game...).
Good morning sweet princess
Originally Posted by protonitron
So do schools just need to be better or do children need to be taught that guns are scary dangerous things? I don't think you can rely on people to treat guns with the respect and caution they deserve without being taught to do so from a young age. Especially with the relatively frequent possesion of guns in video games. I do not think that video games are a problem, just that they make a lot of things seem less dangerous (unless it is a horror game...).
If you don't believe video games contribute to the problems of gun violence, why bring it up? Riding the fence on an issue is not a way to promote any meaningful dialogue, it's just a way to backpedal on your statements if you receive too much flak.
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Youtube Channel i sometimes post videos of other games
Youtube Channel i sometimes post videos of other games
Are you arguing about gun laws or arguing about how I am discussing gun laws? Anyway, I will answer your question even though I would rather you you didn't make posts like this.
I think that it is impossible to deny that some people are affected by media (this includes TV, newspapers, comic books, movies and video games). There are very impressionable people in this world and I think that this is the real problem. If kids seriously end up thinking that certain unrealistic video games are like real life then the society has failed them (depending on their age, obviously age restrictions exist for a reason but they are almost entirely ignored). This goes back to the issue of teaching people that you must always have the safety switch on (or whatever it is called) and that even if you think your gun is empty it is a terrible idea to point it at someone else or at yourself.
I hope the dialogue has been promoted in a satisfyingly meaningful way for you now. No fences were harmed in the making of this post. To be honest I brought up video games just to make my post longer (it seemed so empty) rather than to inspire any future dialogue, although after writing it I did realise that such dialogue was an extremely likely possibility afterwards.
I think that it is impossible to deny that some people are affected by media (this includes TV, newspapers, comic books, movies and video games). There are very impressionable people in this world and I think that this is the real problem. If kids seriously end up thinking that certain unrealistic video games are like real life then the society has failed them (depending on their age, obviously age restrictions exist for a reason but they are almost entirely ignored). This goes back to the issue of teaching people that you must always have the safety switch on (or whatever it is called) and that even if you think your gun is empty it is a terrible idea to point it at someone else or at yourself.
I hope the dialogue has been promoted in a satisfyingly meaningful way for you now. No fences were harmed in the making of this post. To be honest I brought up video games just to make my post longer (it seemed so empty) rather than to inspire any future dialogue, although after writing it I did realise that such dialogue was an extremely likely possibility afterwards.
Good morning sweet princess
