Originally Posted by ilikepie56

^and this all is why i aim to going to Canada for collage instead of staying in the USA because like skywhale said i want to focus on doing the word good with my science studies. i don't want to go into some half developed country and start shooting at em claiming "THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!" and then just leaving them to rot while we move on to another country, bomb, shoot, rinse and repeat.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

Not to support the invasions, but uuuugh, this is such a played out insinuation. Which invasion? Kuwait? Iraq? Afghanistan? What oil related interests have the U.S. secured, seized, or controlled in any of them? The closest you get is development, but not ownership of, Iraqi oil sands, but ultimately America is far more reliant on Saudi Arabia, Canada, and South America for its oil consumption in addition to domestic, so economic incentives were effectively limited to stopping Saddam from manipulating the price of oil, which wasn't a particularly immediate threat, either.

Originally Posted by Ele

The good thing about history is that it teaches us how things work. It's able to do this because there's two things that stay constant throughout, more or less - human nature and the nature of states. On the nature of states for example, take a Rome, take a Prussia, take a US - the way they approach politics and diplomacy is all the same. You can call it power politics, realpolitik or 'national security', the concept it the same. To ensure the state's security and survival, the state will do anything to protect its vital interests, because, without protecting its vital interests, its existence is threatened (explains why they're called 'vital'). The reason the US is involved in the Middle East is because it's protecting two of its vital interests, economic security and the security of energy resources. Disruptions in the area cause regional instability, which messes with the oil trade. A messed up oil trade is both a threat to economic and energy security.

Originally Posted by Havu

Only a small portion of Americans know, that organisations like Al Qaida and Isis were originally funded by USA, and were projects blowing up in their own hands. I thought leaving self-made terrorist-organisations to a country that isn't theirs would be bad enough, but then they realized there's some riches, such as oil, they could take advantage of.

Al Qaida and Isis were originally funded by USA

Isis were originally funded by USA

Isis

but then they realized there's some riches, such as oil, they could take advantage of.

Originally Posted by Boredpayne

U wot m8?

The reason only a small portion of Americans might know that is because it's wrong.

Funding local Mujahadeen fighting Russian occupiers is not somehow saddling the countries with terrorist groups that "aren't theirs." This is ignorant at best, falsehood at worst.
By the way, the group you're looking for is not Al Qaeda or ISIS, it is the "Taliban." Except you'd still be wrong about the terrorist groups that the "United States made" because the fighting force that later became the Taliban were assorted grassroots mujahadeen that were organized and operated by the Pakistani ISI. Obviously, the independent Taliban as it exists today is not the same group of assorted fighters as the ones the CIA funded.


Further reading: http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html
http://globalsecuritystudies.com/Price%20Pakistan.pdf (p3)


Do you REALLY think no one knew about oil in the Middle East in the 80s or 90s? That after the USA done gone and deliberately ruined the region forever by sprinkling powdered terrorist and adding water, they went "shit wait guys, there's OIL back there!"?

Petroleum was discovered in the middle east in vast quantities before WWII.

Originally Posted by etoria

America is a filthy capitalist nation, that uses media to bias all the sheep it herds. It's basically owned by corporations and banks utilize the U.S. Government for power.
The government fights wars over things such as oil and other fossil fuels (which we still use for whatever reason (we are destroying the Earth)), and it's beginning to merge church and state [Texas allowing Moses to be recognized as a founding father].