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Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
Like Einstein said "If technology keeps advancing like it is we will become a nation of idiots" and America did, and now all the other country's with money are advancing like we are and that is causing alot of conflict between all the competition.

Because WW1 and WW2 were totally not caused by stupidity on a national, if not multinational scale. People have always been dumb bro.
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Sooo to the people that think Russia is still fighting in syria with NATO.

Putin demanded his armed forces to return to russia, (besides a few military bases) and there never were any recorded fights between Russia and NATO in syria. Only "mistakes" between Turkey and Russia, and to call that a war is stretching the whole situation out of context and nitpicking things that happened along the whole series of events.

Will Donald Trump cause a 3rd world war? Not if he has the same fate as Kennedy.
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Originally Posted by Zelda View Post
Because WW1 and WW2 were totally not caused by stupidity on a national, if not multinational scale. People have always been dumb bro.

That's a gross oversimplification if ever I heard one.
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I know it's oversimplified, but it's an improvement on "Modern technology is making us dumb and war hungry because Einstein said so." whichever way you look at it.
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I see WW2 as WW1-part 2, and I believe WW1 was primarily caused by entangling alliances... The same sort of alliances that would commit every NATO member (and their military allies (e.g Australia)) to war if one of them were invaded. That said, I think another world war is the last thing that any of the parties involved want. There's too many reasons not to go to war (economic interdependence for example). However, in such a powder keg as Syria, if a spark inadvertently comes into being, the situation could escalate, get out of control and the shit could hit the fan... Then we'll all be dragged into the ensuing shitfest.
Last edited by Ele; Mar 16, 2016 at 12:37 PM.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Russia and NATO have been fighting in Syria for a while now. It's certainly not a world war. Sure NATO is trying to start shit, and Turkey is just doing dumb stuff, but it's not a world war by any stretch,

but is it not supposed that NATO must get involved since one of the members is at "hands"with Russia?
that is why i asked about the NATO movement in the Aegean.

Originally Posted by WeooWeoo View Post
The United States doesn't need to be getting into another war that isn't even our business (our as in the US, which is where I am from). Regardless, this will more than likely be nothing different than US soldiers being in Afghanistan. It may sound silly and ignorant, but that is how I see it. This is Syria and Saudi, not the US. This isn't our battle. We don't need to be there.

Now, if we are talking other world powers, such as China, then yes. This is possible. Same with Russia and/or North Korea. Your links are all over the place saying "so and so is gonna prepare for war with so and so". Some don't even back up this thread's topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...ntion_in_Syria

US did help the FSA though,and the FSA purpose is to overthrow assad?
Russia suports assad?

Also where does the Saudi Arabia get their weapons?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34838937
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...o-saudi-arabia

And also US is a NATO member,so it would have to come to
the aid of Turkey?

Originally Posted by PACKET View Post
I think its the opposite, if Donald Trump gets president then he will prevent world war 3. He is against all the war crimes the bushes committed and is against invading 3rd world countries.

If there is a world war 3 then it is not to do with presidents but instead the hidden hand. Trump is strong minded and is not scared to stand up against the Rothschild's and Rockefeller's. (I hope)

although it seems he changed his mind?



Originally Posted by Ele View Post
I see WW2 as WW1-part 2, and I believe WW1 was primarily caused by entangling alliances... The same sort of alliances that would commit every NATO member (and their military allies (e.g Australia)) to war if one of them were invaded. That said, I think another world war is the last thing that any of the parties involved want. There's too many reasons not to go to war (economic interdependence for example). However, in such a powder keg as Syria, if a spark inadvertently comes into being, the situation could escalate, get out of control and the shit could hit the fan... Then we'll all be dragged into the ensuing shitfest.

pretty much what worries me.

Originally Posted by Redundant View Post
The real conspiracy is that the American Revolution was the actual 1st world war and the supposed 2nd one was actually the 3rd.

sorry,this has nothing to do with the discussion.

what i am curious about is,what NATO will do since Turkey is a member of NATO.

edit:also here's a wiki article about who is involved and who supports who
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...rian_Civil_War

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Last edited by nikosefs; Mar 16, 2016 at 02:50 PM.
Originally Posted by nikosefs View Post
but is it not supposed that NATO must get involved since one of the members is at "hands"with Russia?
that is why i asked about the NATO movement in the Aegean.

No, that's just bait. Russia has not attacked Turkey, there is no need for NATO to posture aggressively towards Russia. But this isn't the first excuse that NATO has used, during euromaidan NATO moved assets Ukraine border, and even before that NATO has always treated Russia as an enemy.

If Turkey is out of line then NATO needs to get them back under control. That would be the reasonable response. Trying to provoke a war by blaming Russia for this and that is not productive except for those that actually do want WWIII...

Originally Posted by Zelda View Post
I know it's oversimplified, but it's an improvement on "Modern technology is making us dumb and war hungry because Einstein said so." whichever way you look at it.

Well sure, you certainly couldn't have said something worse.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
No, that's just bait. Russia has not attacked Turkey, there is no need for NATO to posture aggressively towards Russia. But this isn't the first excuse that NATO has used, during euromaidan NATO moved assets Ukraine border, and even before that NATO has always treated Russia as an enemy.


yea but didn't Turkey provoke Russia by shooting down that plane?
so its not "Russia attacked turkey" but "turkey made a hostile move against Russia"

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
If Turkey is out of line then NATO needs to get them back under control. That would be the reasonable response. Trying to provoke a war by blaming Russia for this and that is not productive except for those that actually do want WWIII...

like you said,that would be the reasonable thing to do.
Originally Posted by nikosefs View Post
yea but didn't Turkey provoke Russia by shooting down that plane?
so its not "Russia attacked turkey" but "turkey made a hostile move against Russia".

If the plane was flying over Turkish airspace, which it was, and it wasn't authorized to fly there, which it wasn't, and it wasn't responding to radio hails, which it wasn't, then Turkey was justified in shooting the plane down. That's not hostile, that's standard protocol for unidentified aircraft flying in your country's airspace. The Russian pilot should have never been there, and could have responded to communications, and either situation would have avoided it being shot down.
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Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
If the plane was flying over Turkish airspace, which it was, and it wasn't authorized to fly there, which it wasn't, and it wasn't responding to radio hails, which it wasn't, then Turkey was justified in shooting the plane down. That's not hostile, that's standard protocol for unidentified aircraft flying in your country's airspace. The Russian pilot should have never been there, and could have responded to communications, and either situation would have avoided it being shot down.

can you add a source backing these claims?
both turkey and Russia say their story,
Russia say it was in Syrian air space and that they weren't warned and
Turkey that they warned 10 times and that the aircraft was in Turkey for 17 seconds,
but both stories have their flaws.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_R...down#Shootdown

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...-a6752741.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581
Last edited by nikosefs; Mar 18, 2016 at 08:46 AM.