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Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
How about I ask you. Why did you vote leave?

A number of reasons. To put it simply, the EU is a sinking ship. Turkey joining in a few years is bound to spark up more referendums across Europe, with the likes of France, Germany and Italy. Immigration in general is a problem for us because it's uncontrolled. Once we get our borders back we can decide what quantity comes in, reducing the poorer quality of life that can currently be seen in parts of the UK. We also now have the ability to trade with the commonwealth countries. Canada, for example, couldn't trade with us because the EU wouldn't allow it.

Oh, and guess what? We'll now be a self-governing nation. No more un-elected bureaucrats telling us what to do. Democracy lives on.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun View Post
A number of reasons. To put it simply, the EU is a sinking ship. Turkey joining in a few years is bound to spark up more referendums across Europe, with the likes of France, Germany and Italy. Immigration in general is a problem for us because it's uncontrolled. Once we get our borders back we can decide what quantity comes in, reducing the poorer quality of life that can currently be seen in parts of the UK. We also now have the ability to trade with the commonwealth countries. Canada, for example, couldn't trade with us because the EU wouldn't allow it.

Oh, and guess what? We'll now be a self-governing nation. No more un-elected bureaucrats telling us what to do. Democracy lives on.

Turkey isnt joining while its still unstable. Turkey is not forecasted to join within the next 2 decades, after which time it is likely to be somewhat stable anyway, so thats not a real argument. Particularly as staying in the EU is a reversible decision where as leaving is not.

The only people pushing for a referendum in France are their equivalent of the BNP, a successful referendum will not happen there anytime soon. Also wtf, "Germany" Germany are definitely not about to leave the EU at all

We also already had the ability to trade with commonwealth countries. We were trading with Canada already.

MEPs are not unelected. We were already a self-governing nation. The EU is a democratically run system, Im not sure you know what youve voted on mate.
Last edited by SmallBowl; Jun 24, 2016 at 05:02 PM.
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Originally Posted by Fizz View Post
dude, you ignored smallbowl's point


Are you talking to me?
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
Turkey isnt joining while its still unstable. Turkey is not forecasted to join within the next 2 decades, after which time it is likely to be somewhat stable anyway, so thats not a real argument. Particularly as staying in the EU is a reversible decision where as leaving is not.

You're right that it isn't happening anytime soon, however, the mere possibility that it will join is a good enough reason to vote leave. And I'm sorry, you're predicting that Turkey will be a completely different country in 20 years? Slippery slope.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
The only people pushing for a referendum in France are their equivalent of the BNP, a successful referendum will not happen there anytime soon.

The party is irrelevant, as far as the people are concerned. UKIP literally lead the leave campaign for us, gaining voters from both the labour and tory camps.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
We also already had the ability to trade with commonwealth countries. We were trading with Canada already.

We don't have a free-trade agreement with Canada because the EU is in dispute about VISAs for Romanians wanting to visit Canada. We don't have a free-trade agreement with Australia either.

You can say many things, but don't even suggest that we're in the best position for trade right now. We're not allowed to make our own agreements because of miscellaneous disputes. That is not right.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
MEPs are not unelected. We were already a self-governing nation. The EU is a democratically run system, Im not sure you know what youve voted on mate.

There is absolutely nothing democratic about the EU. When the commission issues a regulation, all member states are immediately under force of law. For it to be democratic there would have to be discussions in parliament, but there are none. You don't argue with it, you just accept it.

I'm glad chums like you didn't have your way. We now have a chance of being a democracy again.
Last edited by Mallymkun; Jun 24, 2016 at 05:15 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
I voted stay. Everyone thinks leaving the EU will help against the immigration crisis by making it harder to come to Britain. In actual fact it won't. Nothing will stop the immigration completely. They also voted to leave so they may have 'More Control'.....Only at the cost of increased house prices, increased mortgages, decrease in currency value to the lowest since records began, increased holiday prices, David Cameron resigning and the rapid rise in UKIP's endorsement.
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Originally Posted by HASSAN2000 View Post
Everyone thinks leaving the EU will help against the immigration crisis by making it harder to come to Britain. In actual fact it won't.

Okay, I'm already assuming that the argument is going to come in...

Originally Posted by HASSAN2000 View Post
Nothing will stop the immigration completely.

Um, you just repeated the same thing twice. Plus, not an argument.
And also, we don't want to stop immigration completely, we want to control it, so it appears that you don't even know what we campaigned for.

Originally Posted by HASSAN2000 View Post
They also voted to leave so they may have 'More Control'.....Only at the cost of increased house prices, increased mortgages, decrease in currency value to the lowest since records began, increased holiday prices,

Can you provide a source for any of these things? Outrageous claims.
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i'm in no way siding with mallymkun but you're pretty wrong there hassan.

Originally Posted by http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36537906
Several experts have predicted that the economic shock of leaving the EU would cause unemployment to rise in the UK. That would reduce the pressure for wage growth. The Treasury estimated that wages will be between 2.8% and 4% lower at the point of maximum impact, with a typical worker at least £780 a year worse off.

what do you say about this, mally?
Originally Posted by Mallymkun View Post
You're right that it isn't happening anytime soon, however, the mere possibility that it will join is a good enough reason to vote leave. And I'm sorry, you're predicting that Turkey will be a completely different country in 20 years? Slippery slope.

If they dont become stable they dont get into the EU :| its not like countries say "I want in" and the actual EU doesnt get a say in it at all.

The party is irrelevant, as far as the people are concerned. UKIP literally lead the leave campaign for us, gaining voters from both the labour and tory camps.

The party is not irrelevant, do you even know why the EU referendum happened in the UK in the first place? Cameron wanted to be re-elected so he promised a referendum if he got elected, the expectation was for there to be another hung parliament and for the Lib Dems to veto the referendum so that it never happened. UKIP did not make the referendum happen, in the same way that this party in France will not make it happen.


We don't have a free-trade agreement with Canada because the EU is in dispute about VISAs for Romanians wanting to visit Canada. We don't have a free-trade agreement with Australia either.

You can say many things, but don't even suggest that we're in the best position for trade right now. We're not allowed to make our own agreements because of miscellaneous disputes. That is not right.

We dont have a free trade agreement with the US either but theyre one of our largest trading partners. :| Theres a big difference between not having a free trade agreement and not being able to trade. In addition the majority of our trade is currently with EU member states, this is clearly going to be made a lot more difficult. And dont think we can make a free trade agreement with other countries to compensate, the US for example have stated they will not make a free trade agreement with the UK in the foreseeable future because they are currently under negotiations with the EU for making a free trade agreement with them.

If you think we're in a better position now for trade than we were before, then you shouldnt have voted because you clearly dont know the first thing or the actual purpose of the EU.

There is absolutely nothing democratic about the EU. When the commission issues a regulation, all member states are immediately under force of law. For it to be democratic there would have to be discussions in parliament, but there are none. You don't argue with it, you just accept it.

I'm glad chums like you didn't have your way. We now have a chance of being a democracy again.

Decisions are made on a democratic vote, the representatives are voted in, there are discussions and debates in the EU.

If thats not a democracy, what is a democracy? And if youre telling me that EU enforced laws are detrimental to the UK, you clearly arent aware of what any of their laws are - laws implemented by the EU are primarily quality control laws, which is only good for us as citizens.
Last edited by SmallBowl; Jun 24, 2016 at 05:29 PM.
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Originally Posted by Fizz View Post
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what do you say about this, mally?

https://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/files/smc_final_report_june2014.pdf

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
If they dont become stable they dont get into the EU :| its not like countries say "I want in" and the actual EU doesnt get a say in it at all.

Actually, the EU have already awarded Turkey for taking in refugees. Plus, they currently meet 65 out of the 72 requirements for free visa travel. It's not as far-fetched as you're making out.

And you're right, the EU has all the say. Its member states don't.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
The party is not irrelevant, do you even know why the EU referendum happened in the UK in the first place? Cameron wanted to be re-elected so he promised a referendum if he got elected, the expectation was for there to be another hung parliament and for the Lib Dems to veto the referendum so that it never happened. UKIP did not make the referendum happen, in the same way that this party in France will not make it happen.

UKIP pushed for this referendum long before Cameron promised it. It can be confidently asserted that it wouldn't have even been considered by Cameron if not for UKIP bringing it to the public eye. The party is irrelevant because it's about the EU, not the party's policies. I don't know what else to say, really.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
We dont have a free trade agreement with the US either but theyre one of our largest trading partners. :|

You're correct, but we shouldn't be under authority by a union. Like every other country we should be able to make our own deals without interference. I mean, the whole concept of free trade is that it doesn't have tariffs and restrictions. Of course we want free trade.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
Theres a big difference between not having a free trade agreement and not being able to trade.

You're right, I should have phrased it differently.
Consider it legitimate trade vs illegitimate trade.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
the US for example have stated they will not make a free trade agreement with the UK in the foreseeable future because they are currently under negotiations with the EU for making a free trade agreement with them.

Although I ask for a source, I'd also like to add that this is another example of the EU and its dreaded negotiations. If true, we aren't being denied by the US, but once again by the EU. But yes, source please!

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
If you think we're in a better position now for trade than we were before, then you shouldnt have voted because you clearly dont know the first thing or the actual purpose of the EU.

I stand by my original comment. We're in a better position.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
Decisions are made on a democratic vote, the representatives are voted in, there are discussions and debates in the EU.

THERE AREN'T DISCUSSIONS IN OUR OWN PARLIAMENT.

- The fact that we simply cannot have a say screams dictatorship.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
If thats not a democracy, what is a democracy?

You tell me.

Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
And if youre telling me that EU enforced laws are detrimental to the UK, you clearly arent aware of what any of their laws are - laws implemented by the EU are primarily quality control laws, which is only good for us as citizens.

The nature of the law is irrelevant. If we can't argue then it will only be taken advantage of.
From where it stands as is, we have a choice of Boris Johnson or Michael Gove. Although David Cameron wasn't a 'good' choice for britain, out of the 3 I can easily say he was our best choice.

Also, shoutout to my boi nigel farage who starts telling the truth about his campaigns after voting closed

I would honestly trust someone to put something that looks like a sweetener in my drink more than that codger.

oh yh also I voted Remain cause im not an absolute cock, mate.
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