Originally Posted by
Fizz
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what do you say about this, mally?
https://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/files/smc_final_report_june2014.pdf
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
If they dont become stable they dont get into the EU :| its not like countries say "I want in" and the actual EU doesnt get a say in it at all.
Actually, the EU have already awarded Turkey for taking in refugees. Plus, they currently meet 65 out of the 72 requirements for free visa travel. It's not as far-fetched as you're making out.
And you're right, the EU has all the say. Its member states don't.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
The party is not irrelevant, do you even know why the EU referendum happened in the UK in the first place? Cameron wanted to be re-elected so he promised a referendum if he got elected, the expectation was for there to be another hung parliament and for the Lib Dems to veto the referendum so that it never happened. UKIP did not make the referendum happen, in the same way that this party in France will not make it happen.
UKIP pushed for this referendum long before Cameron promised it. It can be confidently asserted that it wouldn't have even been considered by Cameron if not for UKIP bringing it to the public eye. The party is irrelevant because it's about the EU, not the party's policies. I don't know what else to say, really.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
We dont have a free trade agreement with the US either but theyre one of our largest trading partners. :|
You're correct, but we shouldn't be under authority by a union. Like every other country we should be able to make our own deals without interference. I mean, the whole concept of free trade is that it doesn't have tariffs and restrictions. Of course we want free trade.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
Theres a big difference between not having a free trade agreement and not being able to trade.
You're right, I should have phrased it differently.
Consider it legitimate trade vs illegitimate trade.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
the US for example have stated they will not make a free trade agreement with the UK in the foreseeable future because they are currently under negotiations with the EU for making a free trade agreement with them.
Although I ask for a source, I'd also like to add that this is another example of the EU and its dreaded negotiations. If true, we aren't being denied by the US, but once again by the EU. But yes, source please!
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
If you think we're in a better position now for trade than we were before, then you shouldnt have voted because you clearly dont know the first thing or the actual purpose of the EU.
I stand by my original comment. We're in a better position.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
Decisions are made on a democratic vote, the representatives are voted in, there are discussions and debates in the EU.
THERE AREN'T DISCUSSIONS IN OUR OWN PARLIAMENT.
- The fact that we simply cannot have a say screams
dictatorship.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
If thats not a democracy, what is a democracy?
You tell me.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
And if youre telling me that EU enforced laws are detrimental to the UK, you clearly arent aware of what any of their laws are - laws implemented by the EU are primarily quality control laws, which is only good for us as citizens.
The nature of the law is irrelevant. If we can't argue then it will only be taken advantage of.