Originally Posted by wibblefox
Apart from that, there is simply no way to know. How can you oppress a people that cannot be identified? In short, you can't.
I don't think you've been around too many trans people.
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Originally Posted by wibblefox
The unfortunate story that has been shoved to the sidelines is that mental illness is the real bad guy here. We should be working together as a society to help people, not validate their illnesses. It is very sad that so many people are losing out on the treatment they deserve in the name of 'progress'...
Daym son. We need more gay to straight camps in this motherfucker.
Last edited by cowmeat; Jun 27, 2016 at 11:34 AM.
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Originally Posted by cowmeat
I don't think you've been around too many trans people.
I don't think you have mate - or maybe you have but you don't know it. Tell me how you know?
And please don't say something incredibly transphobic. There is literally no way to tell if someone is trans or cis without them telling you, or without examining both their DNA and their genitals - and frankly someone just telling you isn't what I would call 'proof'.
Originally Posted by cowmeat
Daym son. We need more gay to straight camps in this motherfucker.
Mental health among LGBT is MUCH poorer than average. I'll give you some stats from NAMI https://www.nami.org/Find-Support/LGBTQ
"LGBTQ individuals are almost 3 times more likely than others to experience a mental health condition such as major depression or generalized anxiety disorder."
"or LGBTQ people aged 10–24, suicide is one of the leading causes of death. LGBTQ youth are 4 times more likely and questioning youth are 3 times more likely to attempt suicide, experience suicidal thoughts or engage in self-harm than straight people. Between 38-65% of transgender individuals experience suicidal ideation."
"An estimated 20-30% of LGBTQ people abuse substances, compared to about 9% of the general population."
"25% of LGBT people abuse alcohol, compared to 5-10% of the general population."
If you do not believe this is a huge issue, then I don't know what to say to you. LGBTQIA+ communities are extremely vulnerable, they need help. They do not need people pretending there is no problem, or laughing off mental health care as 'gay to straight camp'. You are making a joke of people dying and lives being ruined here, but I'm not laughing.
How would being LGBTQ affect someones mental health?
Its a far less big assumption to suggest that the mental health statistics are more to do with people like you telling them their gender and sexual identity is wrong and trying to fit them into a mould that makes you feel comfortable, than just the gender identity or sexual orientation itself.
Its a far less big assumption to suggest that the mental health statistics are more to do with people like you telling them their gender and sexual identity is wrong and trying to fit them into a mould that makes you feel comfortable, than just the gender identity or sexual orientation itself.
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl
How would being LGBTQ affect someones mental health?
Its a far less big assumption to suggest that the mental health statistics are more to do with people like you telling them their gender and sexual identity is wrong and trying to fit them into a mould that makes you feel comfortable, than just the gender identity or sexual orientation itself.
I think you are being extremely bigoted and trivialising mental health here.
Besides that there's an obvious flaw in your 'logic' - wouldn't cis het see the same increases from LGBTQIA+ bullying them?
And besides that, there are cases where gender dysphoria, dissociative identity disorder, etc have lead to more mental health issues. Imagine if you have GD or DID and someone tells you "don't worry, just chop your dick of and we will call you Sally"? How do you think that ends? Of course there was the extremely high profile case of Reimer too.
It is very insensitive to brush away the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH for young LGBT as "probably just bullying". Can you not see that? Give these people some help for God's sake! They are dying out there, your hand waving isn't helping anyone...
Originally Posted by wibblefox
I think you are being extremely bigoted and trivialising mental health here.
Besides that there's an obvious flaw in your 'logic' - wouldn't cis het see the same increases from LGBTQIA+ bullying them?
And besides that, there are cases where gender dysphoria, dissociative identity disorder, etc have lead to more mental health issues. Imagine if you have GD or DID and someone tells you "don't worry, just chop your dick of and we will call you Sally"? How do you think that ends? Of course there was the extremely high profile case of Reimer too.
It is very insensitive to brush away the LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH for young LGBT as "probably just bullying". Can you not see that? Give these people some help for God's sake! They are dying out there, your hand waving isn't helping anyone...
Stop trolling about LGBTQ and mental health, these are serious topics dont shit on them.
Despite me being 95% sure youre trolling ill answer anyway
1. SJWs "bullying" cis people is not comparable, its not relevant to many people's lives due to the comparably small number of them compared with the number of people like you who are derogatory and insulting towards LGBTQ calling their gender identity or sexual orientation a mental illness, numbers of people being abusive and frequency clearly is important in bullying cases. You're aware of that clearly, so stop trolling on trivial aspects of an important subject.
2. "Being LGBTQ is the cause of mental illness in members of the LGBTQ community because LGBTQ is the cause of mental illness in members of the LGBTQ community."
3. Using a sample size of 1 its still fucking 50/50 because theres controversy as to whether he identified as a boy or a girl throughout his life anyway, in addition in this case it seems very likely that it wasnt just the fact Remier was transgender that caused him to commit suicide.
Reimer had experienced the visits to Baltimore as traumatic rather than therapeutic, and when Dr. Money started pressuring the family to bring him in for surgery during which a vagina would be constructed, the family discontinued the follow-up visits. From 22 months into his teenaged years, Reimer urinated through a hole that surgeons had placed in the abdomen. Estrogen was given during adolescence to induce breast development.
It seems almost certain that his "much needed treatment" was more damaging to Reimer's mental health than being transgender, this a complicated as fuck case, there were clearly plenty more complications to Reimer's life than being transgender. In addition to all this complication there is controversy as to whether Remier identified as a boy or a girl throughout his life anyway. I dont know why you used this case, its a pretty fucking convoluted one and doesnt prove anything to do with your point.
3. "Probably just bullying" is a phrase you threw in, not me, dont trivialize bullying, unlike being trans it is well documented that being bullied without many other external, resulting and complicating factors can cause suicide. Note cause not correlate, correlation is not causation.
Again, im pretty sure youre trolling as per, so I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you.
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