wibblefox: You're right about overmoderation, but that wasn't my point anyways. When I talk about staff engagement I'm talking about everyone in a higher rank doing something to encourage good quality discussions in the community. Like starting threads, telling people what they are doing wrong and how they can improve instead of being blatantly sarcastic about someones' mistake, things like that.
About your second point you're right too, the vast majority of discussions turns into fist fights with no real arguments, I kind of mentioned that behavior in my post as well. It's too bad that you have displayed this exact type of behavior in a recent thread. (Clinton vs Trump? 2016 POTUS)
It's hard to keep a good discussion with people that are not actually aligned with that desire, but feeding them hurts the community as well.
About your second point you're right too, the vast majority of discussions turns into fist fights with no real arguments, I kind of mentioned that behavior in my post as well. It's too bad that you have displayed this exact type of behavior in a recent thread. (Clinton vs Trump? 2016 POTUS)
It's hard to keep a good discussion with people that are not actually aligned with that desire, but feeding them hurts the community as well.
Originally Posted by wibblefox
Overmoderation kills communities because it's just too much of a pain in the ass to post. There is plenty of activity but any active threads get locked and people get infracted. In the end no one wants to post because it's no fun. Just look at offtopic if you want to see the cancer that is staff.
Also in discussion people just want to talk shit instead of having a proper discussion, they think it's all about winning and force feeding their opinion to others. You end up with shitters arguing asinine and irrelevant points just so they can feel "right".
I more or less agree here. It's always seemed a little ironic to me that you will get infracted for not staying staying on topic in the offtopic board. Typically I just cba to post there because of the standards
the whole point by point thing in discussion is real double edged sword. it's efficient for dissecting arguments with someone, but you also get what small and pig have been doing the last couple days, arguing whether or not Turkey is a western country for whatever reason. it's easy to get distracted and argue, like pig said, totally asinine and irrelevant points.
although you aren't the best carrier of this message, i think you enjoy trolling in discussion more than anyone else ;p
It seems like there's a trend to complain about overmoderation, but people are quicker to complain than to actually propose something constructive.
Taking everyone's favorite example, Off-topic. It's made for casual talk, that doesn't need to fulfill any higher purpose than entertainment. But, there are standards, to keep it from being like wibbles. Why do we want to keep a standard higher than wibbles? Because we don't want unregulated hostility around the board. (Toriprime is both an exception and a perfect example of why we don't want wibbles in OT. People make stupid threads and insult each other, all in good fun for the people who are in on the joke, but not a very nice environment for people who aren't).
The only real standard the board has is that you can't make one word posts or circlejerk the the same answer all across the thread (that's why rule D was added). I don't think that's too much to ask.
We do close threads that aren't good for casual talk. Birthday threads, stupid threads and whatever, but that's a different matter.
As for other boards, for example market, replays, art, and suggestions, they do fulfill a higher purpose, and that purpose dictates the rules.
Discussion seems like cancer to me because of the users, not because of any overmoderation. I don't frequent the board though, so I wouldn't know.
Taking everyone's favorite example, Off-topic. It's made for casual talk, that doesn't need to fulfill any higher purpose than entertainment. But, there are standards, to keep it from being like wibbles. Why do we want to keep a standard higher than wibbles? Because we don't want unregulated hostility around the board. (Toriprime is both an exception and a perfect example of why we don't want wibbles in OT. People make stupid threads and insult each other, all in good fun for the people who are in on the joke, but not a very nice environment for people who aren't).
The only real standard the board has is that you can't make one word posts or circlejerk the the same answer all across the thread (that's why rule D was added). I don't think that's too much to ask.
We do close threads that aren't good for casual talk. Birthday threads, stupid threads and whatever, but that's a different matter.
As for other boards, for example market, replays, art, and suggestions, they do fulfill a higher purpose, and that purpose dictates the rules.
Discussion seems like cancer to me because of the users, not because of any overmoderation. I don't frequent the board though, so I wouldn't know.
Last edited by Lazors; Aug 21, 2016 at 10:04 PM.
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