Originally Posted by SmallBowl
All of what? Would you be able to explain and expand your point please?
Well in just 1-2 years it seems there's a new gender every week, it could simply be because people think it's the new cool thing to do, sure some truly don't know,
that could be considered gender dysphoria, and just cause it has a label in the disorder category doesn't necessarily make it bad,
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All cases of "non-binary" or other gendered people I've met and seen are extremely trigger-happy and get offended over the smallest of things. So, I am not so sure they are the most mentally healthy people. if I recall correctly, they are trying to classify insults towards LGBTQ+ as hate speech. I don't entertain the idea of censoring "hate speech," it's just a shortcut to limit free speech, so where would we draw the line between hate speech (assassination threats and verbal threats of harm are excluded because those are already deemed illegal) and a differing opinion.
Besides, onto gender. I'm really just in awe because of how much society has rolled over and accepted such foreign and misguided social constructs. It may have to do with me being home-schooled until middle school and raised in a conservative, Christian household, who knows?
For me, I've never been one to support LGBTQ+ community, and I am not in support of the gender dysphoria (or "transgenderism") topic that has been relevant this year.
If society becomes so submissive (open-minded) to accept transgenderism, 1,000,000 genders and Islam (pedophilia, women beating, sharia law), is bestiality next?
I would like to see a reasonable explanation or a short summary of why this can/will benefit society. I don't see how being "comfortable" is a good enough excuse to abandon millenniums (give or take) of normality: Male and Female.
Besides, onto gender. I'm really just in awe because of how much society has rolled over and accepted such foreign and misguided social constructs. It may have to do with me being home-schooled until middle school and raised in a conservative, Christian household, who knows?
For me, I've never been one to support LGBTQ+ community, and I am not in support of the gender dysphoria (or "transgenderism") topic that has been relevant this year.
If society becomes so submissive (open-minded) to accept transgenderism, 1,000,000 genders and Islam (pedophilia, women beating, sharia law), is bestiality next?
I would like to see a reasonable explanation or a short summary of why this can/will benefit society. I don't see how being "comfortable" is a good enough excuse to abandon millenniums (give or take) of normality: Male and Female.
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Sex is essentially binary, you're either a man or a woman, bar a few rare intersex exceptions. I repeat gender is a social construct. By it's very nature, if society is changing, so will its constructs. Clearly society is changing. These thousands of people aren't just "coming out of nowhere", people have dealt with this problem for thousands of years. It's only until recent time that we're smart and accepting enough to not fucking kill them for being themselves.
What gigantic steps in logic do you think loving and accepting people who want to feel more comfortable dressing a certain way leads to us okaying non-consensual sexual contact between adults and children or adults and animals.... or beating women for that matter.
It benefits society because people are who they are and we shouldn't give a shit about what anyone else thinks. Diversity breads new ideas and creativity, it's a fundamental cornerstone of why the US became such a cultural powerhouse. Why on Earth would you care if someone who was born a man wants to be regarded as a woman? The burden really is on you here - why would holding hate in your heart for people benefit society.
Being normal isn't a good thing. It's not something to aspire to. It's literally just the definition of average. You shouldn't try to be average, nor should you force yourself to be different. You should just be yourself.
I'll give you a more palatable example though, since you seem open minded enough:
My friend's name is Robert. He prefers to go by Rob. It's his own name, of course he gets decide what he goes by, he's an adult. If you go to any college campus in the country, you ask someone "What is your name, and what would you like to go by?". Some people want their name shortened, some people want their name abbreviated, some people actually go by their middle name instead.
If a teacher was like "Hey what's your name?" and he said "Oh, I'm Rob". And the teacher then said "Is that short for Robert? Or Bobby maybe?". He'd probably say "Yeah, I guess, but I'd rather just go by Rob if that's cool." If that teacher smirked and said "Eh, I'm old fashioned. I'm a home schooled conservative christian. You were born Robert, I'll call you Robert." .... Ya know you're allowed to do that, but ... why. Why be a dick? Do you think Rob is going to appreciate that, or you? You're intentionally disrespecting someone for no reason.
It's essentially that. "Oh you were born with a penis, so I don't care about what your life is like and how you feel, I'm going to ignore your feelings. I'm going to disrespect your wishes. I don't care how you feel inside, I'm going to push MY agenda of who you are onto you, suck it." It's immature. It's nonsensical. Call him fucking Rob.
What gigantic steps in logic do you think loving and accepting people who want to feel more comfortable dressing a certain way leads to us okaying non-consensual sexual contact between adults and children or adults and animals.... or beating women for that matter.
It benefits society because people are who they are and we shouldn't give a shit about what anyone else thinks. Diversity breads new ideas and creativity, it's a fundamental cornerstone of why the US became such a cultural powerhouse. Why on Earth would you care if someone who was born a man wants to be regarded as a woman? The burden really is on you here - why would holding hate in your heart for people benefit society.
Being normal isn't a good thing. It's not something to aspire to. It's literally just the definition of average. You shouldn't try to be average, nor should you force yourself to be different. You should just be yourself.
I'll give you a more palatable example though, since you seem open minded enough:
My friend's name is Robert. He prefers to go by Rob. It's his own name, of course he gets decide what he goes by, he's an adult. If you go to any college campus in the country, you ask someone "What is your name, and what would you like to go by?". Some people want their name shortened, some people want their name abbreviated, some people actually go by their middle name instead.
If a teacher was like "Hey what's your name?" and he said "Oh, I'm Rob". And the teacher then said "Is that short for Robert? Or Bobby maybe?". He'd probably say "Yeah, I guess, but I'd rather just go by Rob if that's cool." If that teacher smirked and said "Eh, I'm old fashioned. I'm a home schooled conservative christian. You were born Robert, I'll call you Robert." .... Ya know you're allowed to do that, but ... why. Why be a dick? Do you think Rob is going to appreciate that, or you? You're intentionally disrespecting someone for no reason.
It's essentially that. "Oh you were born with a penis, so I don't care about what your life is like and how you feel, I'm going to ignore your feelings. I'm going to disrespect your wishes. I don't care how you feel inside, I'm going to push MY agenda of who you are onto you, suck it." It's immature. It's nonsensical. Call him fucking Rob.
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Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
It's essentially that. "Oh you were born with a penis, so I don't care about what your life is like and how you feel, I'm going to ignore your feelings. I'm going to disrespect your wishes. I don't care how you feel inside, I'm going to push MY agenda of who you are onto you, suck it." It's immature. It's nonsensical. Call him fucking Rob.
You basically described how these "missgendered" people also think,
They try to push their agenda when most of the people don't care and find it rather annoying, no one is going to hold your hand through life and should instead just grow a backbone,
Also it's pretty sad that lgbtq doesn't include straights, it's literally putting down a group of people, which they are apparently opposed of doing.
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Smallbowl, I would argue there are only two genders but more sexes. Excluding intersex people as deformities is like excluding people with unusually small dicks from dick size statistics. Just because it's abnormal doesn't mean it's wrong.
I just feel gender isn't a parameter that needs to be filled in. It's the word given to a societal construct. In India or among certain Native American people I would accept 4 genders as they regard fem boys and masculine girls as their own genders. In societies without gender roles (if any exist) I would say there was no such thing as gender. If you don't fit into a gender you are not a maberiqué gender or astralgender, you just don't fit into two relatively arbitrary groups that an archaic role system has laid out for people.
I agree with Bodhisattva on most points actually.
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So you don't think LGBTQ should exist? Because that would make the whole movement redundant. It's still illegal to be queer in a lot of places in the world so I'd rather they keep campaigning to find an equality we definitely haven't reached yet TBH.
I just feel gender isn't a parameter that needs to be filled in. It's the word given to a societal construct. In India or among certain Native American people I would accept 4 genders as they regard fem boys and masculine girls as their own genders. In societies without gender roles (if any exist) I would say there was no such thing as gender. If you don't fit into a gender you are not a maberiqué gender or astralgender, you just don't fit into two relatively arbitrary groups that an archaic role system has laid out for people.
I agree with Bodhisattva on most points actually.
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Originally Posted by Room
Also it's pretty sad that lgbtq doesn't include straights, it's literally putting down a group of people, which they are apparently opposed of doing.
So you don't think LGBTQ should exist? Because that would make the whole movement redundant. It's still illegal to be queer in a lot of places in the world so I'd rather they keep campaigning to find an equality we definitely haven't reached yet TBH.
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