Originally Posted by torilose
Not true. There are people developing self learning AI´s on their own. There is a guy on youtube for example who developed one for GTA 5 wich is a very complex game. The AI learned to drive.
Sorry to disappoint you, but an AI that can drive in GTA 5 is nothing compared to an AI that can defeat an average player in Toribash. To start with, it doesn't involve another forces beyond AI's capabilities to drive a car. All it needs to recognise is a road, other cars, and their movements (which are fairly straightforward and predictable).
As SkullFuk already mentioned, even a file to barely make a Tori stand on its own already took huge amounts of space. Now if you look at an AI that can fully fight, you're looking at hundreds and thousands gigabytes of data and a supercomputer that can manage all that data.
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
Vox had a WIP script that sorta did it years ago (it controlled both toris), but it took days of leaving the game running before it would figure out staying upright let alone managing to fight properly.
Ideally you could run the program simultaneously on any system which used it and instead of holding the information on each individual computer which ran the program it's sent off the information somewhere to be collected, compared, and condensed and as you said it was from 2011/2012 a lot would changed which could improve the script in some shape of form or even making it a separate exec removing any limitations in lua.
There are hundreds of viable ways of creating a machine learning algorithm which have benefits and negatives for their respective tasks finding the optimal algorithm for creating an AI would reduce it's learning time too at the cost of the time to find this algorithm.
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Originally Posted by Smaguris
Sorry to disappoint you, but an AI that can drive in GTA 5 is nothing compared to an AI that can defeat an average player in Toribash. To start with, it doesn't involve another forces beyond AI's capabilities to drive a car. All it needs to recognise is a road, other cars, and their movements (which are fairly straightforward and predictable).
As SkullFuk already mentioned, even a file to barely make a Tori stand on its own already took huge amounts of space. Now if you look at an AI that can fully fight, you're looking at hundreds and thousands gigabytes of data and a supercomputer that can manage all that data.
Do some research before you spit in my face like this. I actually have some coding experience and know my shit. "All it needs to recognise is a road, other cars, and their movements (which are fairly straightforward and predictable)." In toribash you have a couple of joints. How is that harder? The AI will try different random moves at first and based on successrate improve certain openers. It doesnt take a lot of space to store that as joint status can be described with just a few chars. After a couple of hundred generations the AI will be able to beat a lot of players without even having to react to anything they do. Then a couple of thousand gen´s later the AI will take enemy movement into account and react.
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Originally Posted by torilose
Do some research before you spit in my face like this. I actually have some coding experience and know my shit. "All it needs to recognise is a road, other cars, and their movements (which are fairly straightforward and predictable)." In toribash you have a couple of joints. How is that harder? The AI will try different random moves at first and based on successrate improve certain openers. It doesnt take a lot of space to store that as joint status can be described with just a few chars. After a couple of hundred generations the AI will be able to beat a lot of players without even having to react to anything they do. Then a couple of thousand gen´s later the AI will take enemy movement into account and react.
AI that can make a car drive in GTA V and AI than can competently play Toribash are not really comparable. GTA V driving AI is, in comparison, easy. So much so in fact, that there is literally AI in the source code that drives cars, i.e. the npc traffic you encounter in game. I appreciate that the base game AI is not self-learning, but nor does it need to be, hence I find the comparison unhelpful. The self-learning AI is something of a Rube Goldberg machine.
Chess is perhaps more comparable, at least in terms of number of possible moves, but to beat Garry Kasparov, a literal supercomputer was required. Hence it is not PRACTICALLY possible. Theoretically, certainly. This doesn't even account, as mentioned in a previous post, the fact that Toribash is not a perfect information game, like chess. It has to make predictions.
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