Originally Posted by Lite
I was summoned to say this is fake news.
This post made me consider bringing back reputation system.
Situation described in an OP would only be possible if said AI is either untested and shouldn't have been allowed out of testing labs or it's actually not an AI but a bunch of if-else cases for making coffee.
Real self-learning AI is scary (primarily because it'd make the humanity face something that's never been seen before), but its creation is most likely inevitable - even if that won't happen in close future.
Obviously it can be a huge threat, especially if tech companies continue working with the military. Smart coffee maker is one thing, smart machine that shoots rockets is another.
Then again I'd question how close would an AI creation be to creating an AI that's capable of self-consciousness, with the latter obviously being the main threat. For example, pretty much any living species are capable of learning in some form but only a few can (somewhat) qualify for being self-conscious.
Getting back the example from the previous paragraph, a rocket-shooting AI is obviously bad but an AI that decides it wants to do that on its own while also building more rockets and replicating itself is much worse.
Originally Posted by sir
This post made me consider bringing back reputation system.
Situation described in an OP would only be possible if said AI is either untested and shouldn't have been allowed out of testing labs or it's actually not an AI but a bunch of if-else cases for making coffee.
Real self-learning AI is scary (primarily because it'd make the humanity face something that's never been seen before), but its creation is most likely inevitable - even if that won't happen in close future.
Obviously it can be a huge threat, especially if tech companies continue working with the military. Smart coffee maker is one thing, smart machine that shoots rockets is another.
Then again I'd question how close would an AI creation be to creating an AI that's capable of self-consciousness, with the latter obviously being the main threat. For example, pretty much any living species are capable of learning in some form but only a few can (somewhat) qualify for being self-conscious.
Getting back the example from the previous paragraph, a rocket-shooting AI is obviously bad but an AI that decides it wants to do that on its own while also building more rockets and replicating itself is much worse.
Yeah there's really multiple, if not hundreds of different threats or risks that can and might or might not happen, it just really depends what paths you take while making the AI.
Originally Posted by Lite
I was summoned to say this is fake news.
also: https://github.com/pyxelx
Last edited by hanna; Dec 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM.
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If you're actually a programmer I'm curious as to how you approach your own work because your logic is very flawed.
If your supposed AI can't avoid an obstacle it's clearly not going to be in a position where it would have any chance of harming anyone. Just like you don't take a new car straight out of the factory without any brake fluid and expect it to stop, you don't take a bunch of code of AI and put it straight into working environment. There is insane amounts of planning and testing involved with developing any type of AI, and that will be even more severe with one that has a any potential of harming anyone.
If you presented a problem that is at least slightly debatable that would be an interesting topic, but preventing a robot from stepping on a child really is just basics of AI programming and I'm surprised you can't wrap your head around it considering your professional claims.
If your supposed AI can't avoid an obstacle it's clearly not going to be in a position where it would have any chance of harming anyone. Just like you don't take a new car straight out of the factory without any brake fluid and expect it to stop, you don't take a bunch of code of AI and put it straight into working environment. There is insane amounts of planning and testing involved with developing any type of AI, and that will be even more severe with one that has a any potential of harming anyone.
If you presented a problem that is at least slightly debatable that would be an interesting topic, but preventing a robot from stepping on a child really is just basics of AI programming and I'm surprised you can't wrap your head around it considering your professional claims.
Last edited by Smaguris; Dec 11, 2018 at 08:49 PM.
Originally Posted by Smaguris
If you're actually a programmer I'm curious as to how you approach your own work because your logic is very flawed.
If your supposed AI can't avoid an obstacle it's clearly not going to be in a position where it would have any chance of harming anyone. Just like you don't take a new car straight out of the factory without any brake fluid and expect it to stop, you don't take a bunch of code of AI and put it straight into working environment. There is insane amounts of planning and testing involved with developing any type of AI, and that will be even more severe with one that has a any potential of harming anyone.
If you presented a problem that is at least slightly debatable that would be an interesting topic, but preventing a robot from stepping on a child really is just basics of AI programming and I'm surprised you can't wrap your head around it considering your professional claims.
my logic for that situation is based on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM
as for the second part, that was only an example, i created this thread for the general threat, not that single situation.
The problem will be mostly ironed out before mass production and commercial use. The off chance that this indeed happens would be a pretty rare occurrence.
Or there would be work arounds for that specific model that fetches coffee. I'd imagine it would be like one of those small discs that pick up dust and cats ride around, but this instead fetches water or coffee from the coffee maker built for that robot. Then the center of the robot the cup is attached to raises up to about 3 feet for when you're sitting at the table and since hard wood floor with and open concept design is becoming popular it would make this quite feasible.
Or there would be work arounds for that specific model that fetches coffee. I'd imagine it would be like one of those small discs that pick up dust and cats ride around, but this instead fetches water or coffee from the coffee maker built for that robot. Then the center of the robot the cup is attached to raises up to about 3 feet for when you're sitting at the table and since hard wood floor with and open concept design is becoming popular it would make this quite feasible.
Last edited by T0ribush; Dec 12, 2018 at 05:14 AM.
