Qegola, I appreciate you trying to take the fire out of this discussion, but I can't help but comment on your remark on science and religion. You see, science is forced into a defensive position much like the one I'm taking here because religious people are doing the reverse. They promote Intelligent Design, a thinly veiled attempt to put creationism in the same league as science.
When you look at god as being beyond science, you basically give the believer free rein to attribute anything he likes to the existence or will of god. Because it can't be disproven, it can't be untrue. And with the current state of affairs of the world, the culture of appeasement toward religious beliefs, this means he can pretty much get away with anything. Cut off your son's foreskin in the name of god, and you're fine, but if I do it based on my conviction that there's a holy teapot who wants me to, I either go to prison or to a mental hospital.
Then again, it is very much possible to examine god in a scientific light, as Richard Dawkins has showed us in his book "The God Delusion". When examined scientifically, the god hypothesis doesn't hold on account of probability. There is no indication within verifiable knowledge that there is any reason to believe there's a god or an intelligent designer. (I've shouted this out loud a couple of times hoping to provoke a counterargument, by the way... Is it going to come or what?)
Yet people still base their morals on the supposed word of a deity that by all standards of human decency is a demon of the highest order. You can hardly open the old testament without seeing a reference to fire, brimstone or eternal damnation. And as a believer, you can't cherry pick scripture for the stuff you like. You either believe all of it, or you're a hypocrite and bound for eternal hellfire. Scripture says so itself. It doesn't matter what tribe of the children of Abraham you're from, it holds true for all.
It follows logically that the believer is either a fundamentalist or a hypocrite. Fundamentalism has brought us the spanish inquisition, the holocaust and recently, islamic terrorism. Hypocrites aren't worth attention by their very nature.
And while the world stands on this slippery slope, you ask me to just sit here and allow it to happen because science and religion are two different things?
I don't know about you, but when my unassuming logic is put on the same level with the belief in the god of a death cult from the bronze age, I'm insulted, and I can't just let that lie.
Last edited by Skazz; Mar 10, 2008 at 05:05 PM.