2v2 is in. Support for it is there. IF THERE WERE A SERVER THAT COULD COORDINATE EVERYTHING, the clients would be fine, because they're already programmed to handle it.
And the shaders don't work for everyone. It's the same with every game. If you want them to work, buy a better graphics card, if not, settle for your old graphics.
Worldbuilder was there as of 3.01, released hours later.
Everything that was announced was in there. Don't complain that you can't see them. The coding being in still counts since it's only the fact that it has to be rolled out.
Disappointment is obviously going to be there, but you can't blame the devs. They made a switch to a free game, and yet work just as (if not) harder now. Not only that but just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others aren't hyped about it.
And saying "a game that makes me get a new graphics card to play it SUCKS" is stupid and hypocritical. Look at ANY of the new games. Bioshock, does it run fine on an FX 5200/5500 (Which is what most people who don't have 2.0 shaders have, or an equivalent in ATI technology)? No. It doesn't run AT ALL. And has no less graphics mode.
And the shaders don't work for everyone. It's the same with every game. If you want them to work, buy a better graphics card, if not, settle for your old graphics.
Worldbuilder was there as of 3.01, released hours later.
Everything that was announced was in there. Don't complain that you can't see them. The coding being in still counts since it's only the fact that it has to be rolled out.
Disappointment is obviously going to be there, but you can't blame the devs. They made a switch to a free game, and yet work just as (if not) harder now. Not only that but just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others aren't hyped about it.
And saying "a game that makes me get a new graphics card to play it SUCKS" is stupid and hypocritical. Look at ANY of the new games. Bioshock, does it run fine on an FX 5200/5500 (Which is what most people who don't have 2.0 shaders have, or an equivalent in ATI technology)? No. It doesn't run AT ALL. And has no less graphics mode.
Originally Posted by Jok
And the shaders don't work for everyone. It's the same with every game. If you want them to work, buy a better graphics card, if not, settle for your old graphics.
http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonx600/specs.html
Thats my graphics - card. It should work. The specs tell me that the problem is Toribash, not my X600.
Originally Posted by Jok
Worldbuilder was there as of 3.01, released hours later.
Where was it announced? The download - section still tells '3.0', I don't see any news announcing it. Also, if you thing rationally: How should I know that there is a new version if it's nowhere announced? I downloaded 3.0 and usually expect not being forced to download it once more just to check whether it will work with the new version I didn't new about. It's not even in
in the main 3.0 thread:
http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=15546
Originally Posted by Jok
Everything that was announced was in there. Don't complain that you can't see them. The coding being in still counts since it's only the fact that it has to be rolled out.
As I showed you, it wasn't. The coding being in still counts? That's like 'Well it doesn't work for you for some reason, but it was intended to work, so don't complain'.
Originally Posted by Jok
Disappointment is obviously going to be there, but you can't blame the devs. They made a switch to a free game, and yet work just as (if not) harder now. Not only that but just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others aren't hyped about it.
Why can't I blame the devs? Because the made the game free? Because they work hard? Well, as I said: I'm just disappointed because I didn't get what was announced, for some reason. It's definitely not my fault. My graphic - specs seem ok. So: When it's obviously not my fault - whose fault is it, then? I understand that the programmers work hard. I love this game. The new worldbuild - feature is great. But obviously things did go wrong.
Concerning the hype: I'll be as hyped as the people who got shaders to work. When will it be? Correct: When the shaders will work ^_^
So calm down everyone. I just said that I'm disappointed. I said this because I had a reason to do so. I don't want to start a flamewar with some mods, as the only thing I want is to get my personal working version of 3.0.
I also suggest to go btt or to close this thread, as the main reason for it was already 'solved'. The author didn't see a zero between 3. and 1. That's it.
Peace, love and harmony.
Last edited by Cries; Oct 28, 2007 at 08:43 PM.
Reason: Overuse of commas.
Originally Posted by Cries
http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonx600/specs.html
Thats my graphics - card. It should work. The specs tell me that the problem is Toribash, not my X600.
Actually, no, it shouldn't. Look closely. It doesn't say it has shader 2.0 support, it says "SmartShader 2.0", which is actually only a way to use older shaders more efficiently. It's not the same thing.
Where was it announced? The download - section still tells '3.0', I don't see any news announcing it. Also, if you thing rationally: How should I know that there is a new version if it's nowhere announced? I downloaded 3.0 and usually expect not being forced to download it once more just to check whether it will work with the new version I didn't new about. It's not even in
in the main 3.0 thread:
http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=15546
It was announced in IRC, and it was auto-updating, but the whole auto-update system crashed along with the invasion of FP. It wasn't intended to happen, and was supposed to be updating correctly. You can't say it's anyone's fault in this case, since it's just a combination of bad circumstances.
As I showed you, it wasn't. The coding being in still counts? That's like 'Well it doesn't work for you for some reason, but it was intended to work, so don't complain'.
No, I meant 'Well it doesn't work yet, but it will be released by next version. We didn't have time to roll it out because YOU wanted it to be released now, instead of in January. So don't complain'.
Why can't I blame the devs? Because the made the game free? Because they work hard? Well, as I said: I'm just disappointed because I didn't get what was announced, for some reason. It's definitely not my fault. My graphic - specs seem ok. So: When it's obviously not my fault - whose fault is it, then? I understand that the programmers work hard. I love this game. The new worldbuild - feature is great. But obviously things did go wrong.
Concerning the hype: I'll be as hyped as the people who got shaders to work. When will it be? Correct: When the shaders work ^_^
And you can't blame the devs because it's out of their power. Bugs are naturally going to pop up. Announcements aren't going to be spot on. It's what everything usually happens. They can't buy every graphic card model in the world and see if it works on each and include that.
For the majority of the dev and closed beta team, it worked, meaning there shouldn't have been reason to worry. But they didn't realise that 80% of the community have FX5200's and even though it would run at 1fps, they still want their shaders. Exaggeration, but the point is still correct.
So calm down everyone. I just said that I'm disappointed. I said this because I had a reason to do so. I don't want to start a flamewar with some mods, as the only thing I want is to get my personal working version of 3.0.
I also suggest to go btt or to close this thread, as the main reason for it was already 'solved'. The author didn't see a zero between 3. and 1. That's it.
Peace, love and harmony.
Just so you know, I'm not getting in any way heated up or such. I consider this just a plain argument over what is correct and not. I see no reason to be closed, because no-one is flaming here.
But if you want it the argument over, don't post here. If other people try to get you into a flamewar, they'll be warned.
Originally Posted by Jok
Actually, no, it shouldn't. Look closely. It doesn't say it has shader 2.0 support, it says "SmartShader 2.0", which is actually only a way to use older shaders more efficiently. It's not the same thing.
Um... I thought
Complete hardware-accelerated Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 programmable vertex and pixel shader support
=
Shaders 2.0 support. Anyways. I looked it up on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_X600
Also, I looked up the list of games that need shaders 2.0. There were some that I played at max. That there was a fixed version of Tori at least implied that it is possible to fix the problem. If it was impossible, there wouldn't be a fix, at least thats what I think. Whatever. My Gcard is quite good and I can play most of the games at max, so Tori should work without problems. Currently, it runs on 60fps, anyways.
Originally Posted by Jok
'Well it doesn't work yet, but it will be released by next version. We didn't have time to roll it out because YOU wanted it to be released now, instead of in January. So don't complain'.
Okay, sorry. Misunderstood. So you admit, that there ARE problems, respectively the game is incomplete - > You didn't have the time to do what you said you would for some reason, publishing a game with main features that still have to be 'rolled out'.
Originally Posted by Jok
And you can't blame the devs because it's out of their power.
I still think that my GC is capable of using shaders 2.0
Could you please show me the requirements for shaders 2.0? It's not a test or something, but I couldn't find them myself. all I found out is that it's some kind of a DirectX shader version. Which should work on my Gc.
Originally Posted by Jok
Bugs are naturally going to pop up. Announcements aren't going to be spot on. It's what everything usually happens.
Bugs that kill the main feature? Maybe that's normal. But I also think that it's normal that people are disappointed when something like this happens.
Spot on? Should be. It's just one 'Edit' click.
Originally Posted by Jok
They can't buy every graphic card model in the world and see if it works on each and include that.
I agree. But there are standards. Even for games like Bioshock, or Prey, or FEAR, or Far Cry, or Crysis. I agree that you shouldn't care much about the 10 - year - old pc's that can't play tetris without lagging, but MY Pc was bough one year ago and works perfectly fine. Thats my problem.
Originally Posted by Jok
But they didn't realise that 80% of the community have FX5200's and even though it would run at 1fps, they still want their shaders. Exaggeration, but the point is still correct.
I don't belong to the 80%. And yes, the point IS correct.
Originally Posted by Jok
Just so you know, I'm not getting in any way heated up or such.
Me neither, I meant your mod - 'colleague' and possible other repliers.
Originally Posted by Jok
I see no reason to be closed, because no-one is flaming here.
That wasn't my reason to suggest it to be closed. I just saw that we (Mod 1, Mod 2, Me) have some off - topic talk here, while the main reason for the thread doesn't exist anymore. I didn't mean my suggestion as an 'emergency - shutdown'. There is no flamewar. I just didn't want it to become one.
Whoa, I posted again. Duh. I just want Toribash to work with Shaders
I know my Pc can handle it. So I suggest to end it here. Tori didn't work as it was published, thats what you said yourself. I was disappointed as a result. I will wait for a fixed version.
Thats it. Thanks for the explanation, Jok.
