*a culture that is low tech by choice that was wiped out by natural causes that could have been prevented by technology that was readily available at the time


I think you will find its a lot less than you may think.

I am neither for or against either side...

We are indeed evolving into something much greater and more capable of self realisation... Which is our purpose, what we all want, to realise the boundless creativity of our imagination... and we are a looong way off...

In my opinion, our succes, our survival is all about 2 things, balance, and adaptation... However adaptation applies equally to our over use of technology as it does using it to our advantage...
A marriage of both tradition and innovation, we cannot have one without the other. Both sides have their pros and cons. Technology helps us and drives us forward, but it also comes at a cost, to our health, the enviroment, and our very 'humanness', for want of a better word. Our essence...

No bees = no life on earth, period... they are vital to sustaining our eco system.... In fact i just recently signed a petition to urge our government to ban the use of certain herbicides and pesticides that are extremely harmful to bee populations. This is really serious buisness... and the repercussions can happen much, much sooner than you would think...

Perhaps in the *very* distant future the human race will have potentially evolved into as many different races as there are human beings alive today... just a thought...

Also, lets not forget that there are thousands of other creatures that have far outlived and most likely will out live us for millions of years. Crocodiles for example....

Old topic is old.

I am neither for, nor against it.
i think taking it too far would be stupid.
but i acknowledge the neccessity of it.

our minds evolve faster than our bodies, and as such, it would only be natural to compensate accordingly.

even using a plaster/bandage on a wound counts.
we cant put limits to how far we can push it.
but i do think everything we add to us, makes us a little bit less human

So you define 'being human' as 'having a human body' ?

Although there is a clear biological line between species, I still find it's too much like a "true Scotsman fallacy". A "true human" has 2 arms and 2 legs! A "true human" is fertile!
Our lineage has been one of innovators for the longest time, long before we turned into what we now classify as homo sapiens.

Take discovery of fire, for example. It gave us access to "external stomach" which allowed us to process food far more efficiently. Over time this actually lead to our guts shrinking drastically, because certain parts became unneeded thanks to cooking. If you look at other apes today, you will note they sport a big belly.

Or discovery and adoption of cloth. It prevented those specimens without thick layer of hair from freezing out of our gene pool, leading over time to overall loss of hair in our lineage.

My point is, our technology has actually shaped what we *are* for far longer than one might think.

Evolution is the process of evolving it takes along time time all we have right now but to live forever is not going to be the solution right now because there will always come a point in someones life where you are tired and what to see what is next. Humans as is are born small and we grow into strong adults we live for a while then die. but with trashumanism the world greatest mines could live for ever for a scientific stand point i say yes but from a moral stand point i say i will adapt with what i have,but this might be the next step in the evolutionary chain or it might not. it might lead to a type of human who can not reproduce or it might not. it may make a super human , but we as humans and me as a person thinks there is alot of ifs and what might happen well that is why we are trying to get transhumanism because there is the what happens after i die. well to close i say if the human population has lasted so far with its slow evolution we just might beable to keep on keeping.

Lately I've been thinking that "transhumanism" as a movement is superfluous and possibly even harmful to the very thing it stands for. The pace of discoveries and progress will stay the same regardless of whether there is a group of loud futurists preaching transcending our biology, but this talk can alarm and agitate people who are predisposed against it.

When it comes down to it, even a technophobe will get a pacemaker or [insert artificial part] if he sees it crucial to his well-being, and all the protesters out there are just running their mouth.

Am I wrong?

Transhumanism? That's what they call it now?

I always called it common sense. You might as well join a movement that emphasizes the benefits of eating food.

And might I add, that anybody who opposes this is only looking for something to oppose. You know, those people who will hate something just for being popular.

Also, might I add that anybody who puts effort into praising and spreading transhumanism is just bored, looking for something to fight for. Your best bet would be to just stay clear of this.

At least, that what I'll do.

EDIT: Listen to Odlov. He may be saying what I'm saying in a more understandable way.

It's somewhere in between.It makes us go further and makes us less human.Tho if the implant is small I think you are more human,than machine.It's worse when machines get free will.

I am for transhumanism, but I believe that there is a limit to how much we can meddle with our own biological state. We want to IMPROVE our bodies to break the limits that they have. Unfortunately, some people don't understand that and think that replacing their perfectly functioning limbs with artificial, motor powered ones are better/they assume that.

It's a good idea to take vitamins, since they help your body function, right? Improvements in science allow us to take our bodies to a true limit, before we would have to replace said body with mechanical parts. Glasses, hearing aids, computers, and many other things make things simpler for us, but WE need to use them. Computers improve our access to information, so we can learn more. If we learn more, our brains have a larger amount of information stored in them. If you're born with bad vision, glasses will improve your eyesight. There is no reason why we shouldn't take advantage of this.

Now, there is a limit. If we were to replace our organs or limbs, it needs to be logical. If you're missing a limb, or that part of your body is dying, it is perfectly fine. If you replace your limbs when there was no initial problem, you are definitely doing it in an illogical manner. We want to USE technology to help improve our body, when we NEED it. Unnecessary modification to ourselves is useless if we won't take advantage/have the ability to take advantage of it. If you're going to replace your whole body with a machine, you've essentially turned yourself into a robot that can learn on it's own (they already built a robot that DOES learn on it's own, over in Japan).