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Carbon monooxide feels even more comfortable it seems, and is pretty easy and quick for large groups of cows.

Back to the topic now, this is not about the most humane way to kill animals.
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Why not? How to humanely kill animals for eating seems pretty central to a discussion about how inhumane (or not) halal killing is.
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Originally Posted by War_Hero View Post
Yes it does. Animals can feel pain just like we can.

The next person that says cutting an animal's throat isn't an incredibly painful way to die gets an infraction. If you watch the video you will see that the animal suffers as it dies over a few minutes, while the other way stuns the animal so it dies in its sleep.

Just because the guy in the video is clearly anti muslim does not mean that his point is incorrect. Halal meat is an unnecessarily painful way to kill an animal.

Not sure if serious.

Ask anyone who has ever been tasered if that shit hurts.
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A taser is around 40 times weaker than a stunner used for slaughtering animals. They are also used completely differently. Animal stunners are concentrated on the brain while a taser is a general body shock.
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Originally Posted by War_Hero View Post
Yes it does. Animals can feel pain just like we can.

No shit animals can feel pain. Did I say otherwise? Are cows human? No. The abstract concept of 'humane' does not apply to them.
This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
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The next person that says cutting an animal's throat isn't an incredibly painful way to die gets an infraction.

Don't infract people because you don't get your way.

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In my opinion we should try to minimalize the harm done to these animals. While the quality of the meat may be better like this, there is also an ethical factor.

Animals do not have rights. The concept of 'rights' apply only to volitional beings.
Animals do not survive by rational thought (nor by sign languages allegedly taught to them by psychologists). They survive through sensory-perceptual association and the pleasure-pain mechanism. They cannot reason. They cannot learn a code of ethics. A lion is not immoral for eating a zebra (or even for attacking a man). Predation is their natural and only means of survival; they do not have the capacity to learn any other.
Animals are not volitional beings. Animals do not have rights.

Rather than reply to this with your emotional 'but look at the cow, it's in pain' bullshit, actually think about what I've said.
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Why should we care if they bash the head on with a baseball bat? Just an example... Were gonna eat them anyways...
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I'm a muslim. For one its not disgusting. Every Eid, the cow is slaughtered infront of me, and i eat it.. please don't make fun of these, muslim facts. Please dont make fun of religious stuff.

I am not blaming you for thinking its groos just dont make fun of us fellow muslims its our culture.. its said in the Holy Qur'an that all the blood from the body should be out of the animal you are eating..
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Originally Posted by kooky View Post
I'm a muslim. For one its not disgusting. Every Eid, the cow is slaughtered infront of me, and i eat it.. please don't make fun of these, muslim facts. Please dont make fun of religious stuff.

I am not blaming you for thinking its groos just dont make fun of us fellow muslims its our culture.. its said in the Holy Qur'an that all the blood from the body should be out of the animal you are eating..

We are not making fun of it, we're saying it's cruel to let the animal bleed to death for no reason. The blood can be drained after cutting the spine too, which would lead to a less painful death for the animal. We don't think it's gross too, I just think we should prevent needless suffering.

Yagamai: So you think animals have no rights whatsoever, because they don't survive by rational thought. First off, a human baby has lower mental capacity than a raven. Does this make it okay to torture babies?
Also, People with mental handicaps. Are you saying they don't have rights?
Lastly, you talk about this like you know exactly how/if/what animals think. That's of course not possible, since you can't read someone's/something's thoughts. So don't act like you know how the minds of animals work.
In my opinion animal rights are often taken too serious, but saying they don't have rights at all? That's just stupid. And why would having no "rights" mean you can be tortured at will?


tl;dr version: I don't know if I interpretted it right, but you seem incredibly narrowminded and I get the feeling you feel superior to animals. It's bullshit to say that it is okay to inflict needless pain just because "they don't have rights".
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Oh great, another Randroid on the forum. Or are you Galt?

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Animals do not have rights. The concept of 'rights' apply only to volitional beings.

Only in your own little world.
Humans aren't that exceptional. We perceive more nuances than most animals due to our intelligence, but our choices are just as predetermined (which is what matters)

Animals do not survive by rational thought (nor by sign languages allegedly taught to them by psychologists). They survive through sensory-perceptual association and the pleasure-pain mechanism. They cannot reason. They cannot learn a code of ethics.

Yeah, like this crow with a brain the size of a walnut:


Reason is not an "on or off" property, and comes in degrees. Some agents have more reasoning power than others. Unlike a bacteria, a horse has many attributes (brain power and nervous system among them) which may warrant a consideration (and do in most people).

All complex social animals have codes of ethics (as in: behavior patterns which are enforced by the collective). Wolf packs, bonobo groups, dolphins, etc. Even some insects.

Animals are not volitional beings. Animals do not have rights.

Rights, like codes of ethics, are constructs of the mind. What "rights" you have depends on who you're asking. Torture and murder a stray dog and see whether people think you violated someone's rights. All animals (including us) are machines who have no libertarian freedom, so using volition as an argument is silly.
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