Originally Posted by Jetsnix
that's true, but the only problem about illegal immigration in my opinion would have to be that a good amount of the illegal immigrants turn out to pass on drugs, smuggle drugs into the country, rob people, etc. If they didn't do any of that bull shit I would be fine.
You're quite the bigot aren't you? You assume that because the person is an illegal immigrant that they are highly likely to be tied to the drug trade? Get facts to back this up, otherwise you look like a fool.
Originally Posted by rappunk23
Here's something I don't believe has been mentioned.
In my opinion, it's not as big an issue as the taxes, but immigration in general, when in large masses diminishes the culture of the country who is receiving the immigrants.
Culture... in the United States. Oh god don't make me laugh. "Culture" in the United States has leeched off other people's cultures for centuries. The concept of "low riding" originated from zoot suits, a Mexican fashion trend, gangsters originated from the portrayal of Italian mobsters, heck the gun culture America is so proud of was born and based off a British expectation of citizens is lesser populated areas to maintain the peace using armed force.
And the United States is notorious as a melting pot, a.k.a. something that takes a person's culture and buries it under their own. If anything, immigrants have to worry about losing their own culture in order to survive here.
This whole complaint about illegal immigration is also rather amusing. Americans are one of the first people to go around and proclaim how great their country is, but as soon as somebody actually immigrates there, all you hear is bitching about how it's taking away American jobs or raising taxes and other bullshit. If you don't want people to come, stop boasting about your country.
Second, the concept that illegal immigrants increase taxes is also fairly ridiculous. You know who also doesn't pay taxes and takes advantage of public benefits? The unemployed and homeless. Gee, let's ship them off as well, as they clearly aren't helping the economy, they're raising our taxes, hurr durr. Oh wait, they're a citizen? Well their shit must be solid gold now, we'll keep them around. It's fucking stupid. It's discrimination because of an age old bureaucratic mentality that seriously needs to die off. At least some illegal immigrants are actually holding a job.
The whole process of immigration is rather dumb, it's time consuming, horribly inadequate considering the extent of globalization that has occured, and just doesn't work anymore.
And I realize I have just ranted, so I'll stop now.
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I was referring to mass immigration in general. I do agree with what you were saying, however I was making reference to an issue I read some time ago. I can't recall the exact details but sweden, finland, norway, or something similar up around that area was tightening laws on immigration due to the loss of culture.
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Originally Posted by rappunk23
I was referring to mass immigration in general. I do agree with what you were saying, however I was making reference to an issue I read some time ago. I can't recall the exact details but sweden, finland, norway, or something similar up around that area was tightening laws on immigration due to the loss of culture.
Sweden, finland, and norway are all eastern european countries, miniscule in comparision to the United States. They will be greater affected by an immigration wave than the U.S.
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Originally Posted by rappunk23
If one does not actively help support the country, contribute, and so fourth such as paying taxes, then what right does one have to be a part of the country. It's basically parasitism.
Sounds more like an argument against capitalism than illegal immigration. For example, illegal immigrants paid over 11 billion in taxes last year, which is about 11 billion more than GE paid, a corporation that earned 14 billion (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/..._in_taxes.html). It's odd that we not only allow the rich to get away with what we condemn in the poor, but we actually laud them as exemplars of capitalist achievement. Disgusting.
Yes, taking from the collective without contributing anything is parasitism, but there are far more egregious examples than illegal immigrants.
Last edited by Logic; Jul 3, 2011 at 09:33 PM.
Originally Posted by rappunk23
I was referring to mass immigration in general. I do agree with what you were saying, however I was making reference to an issue I read some time ago. I can't recall the exact details but sweden, finland, norway, or something similar up around that area was tightening laws on immigration due to the loss of culture.
Sweden isn't that hard to immigrate to. One of the hardest countries to immigrate to is Denmark. If you get married with someone from.. let's say, Japan, then the Japanese citizen would not be able to get into Denmark, unless he/she is 24 years old, has a decent education and passes a test about Denmark.
The funny thing is, that only about 12% of the danish people passed that test. You have to answer 38 right out of 40 questions. I got 34 last time I tried the test, and I'm a dane. So we're actually demanding the immigraters to know more about Denmark than we do ourselfs. That's just plain dumb.
There has also been a really awful case about it. A danish/turkish 21-year old joined the danish army and helped in Afghan. After 1½ year he couldn't get back into the country, because he didn't forfill the newest demands. He completed the test several years ago, but then they decided to raise the level of the test, and unfortunately he didn't pass it.
So basically, he was good enough to enter Denmark some years ago, and he helped our nation, and we decide to thank him by keeping him out of the country..
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