Originally Posted by AkumaBeast
Im 10th dan <.< dont wall of text me in how the tori breaks
But again, my position stays the same, saying that you have knowledge of bugs = skill isnt much of a position.
For example today i was playing against ticux and he barely touches my leg in kickbox and breaks it. He said it was Karma <.< and i had to agree because it was so dumb.
There is 2 things that have to be seperated which are the outside view of toribash and the players view of toribash. My brother says its a realistic fighting game but i say that it has lots of bugs because i have the experience of 10000 matchs and he doesnt.
Again, unless new models and bugs are fixed and maybe an overall new image of toribash is created, i dont think you will ever call this an E-sport.
/ps im not saying that you wont win if your a pro cause of bugs, just saying that the game cant be played in a professional level so skill based arguments are invalid IMO.
Firstly, glitches in a game aren't a massive problem. Super smash brothers melee is played incredibly competitively, and it is remarkably glitchy, probably more so than toribash. People just play around them, and even incorporate them into the way they play. Examples: the wavedash (which is also used in several other fighting games, but sakurai did not intend for it to be a part of the game), samus' super-wavedash, edge cancelling etc... So that argument is completely invalid.
Second, those things that oracle mentioned aren't bugs, they are RULES. The leg break against TIcux was caused by crossing a threshold. I really don't understand your argument at all.
[02:19] <Dr_Strangelove> nearly 3 hours of nobody saying a word
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[02:19] <Dr_Strangelove> gg toribash
[02:19] <+hampa> gg
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[02:19] <Dr_Strangelove> gg toribash
[02:19] <+hampa> gg
Originally Posted by Kaszanas
I'd say it's not e-sports worthy, it's pretty random when you dont know what your opponent will do and it's hard to predict...
Wait, wait, wait hold the phone!
Isn't It a big part of multiplayer to not being able to predict what is going to happen?
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Originally Posted by Dr_Strangelove
Firstly, glitches in a game aren't a massive problem. Super smash brothers melee is played incredibly competitively, and it is remarkably glitchy, probably more so than toribash. People just play around them, and even incorporate them into the way they play. Examples: the wavedash (which is also used in several other fighting games, but sakurai did not intend for it to be a part of the game), samus' super-wavedash, edge cancelling etc... So that argument is completely invalid.
Second, those things that oracle mentioned aren't bugs, they are RULES. The leg break against TIcux was caused by crossing a threshold. I really don't understand your argument at all.
Yeah, also as you may know CoD is a verry competetive game, and it suffers from a capture glitch in Domination yet it is still being used in competitions such as Fragfest where they play for a 50k grandprice!
So your arguement is invalid Akuma.
Last edited by Swexx; Nov 28, 2011 at 11:36 PM.
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Toribash is a game that is divided into hundreds(i don't have idea about the precise numeber)of different mods.
As more people before me said,there are some settings that reduce the luck(or unluck)factor to the same level of any other e-sport game(and potentially even lower).
Kickbox ISN'T one of them,because 100 dt(like 100 frac)left too space for randomness(i totally belive u Akuma,and i'm sure that u got that dms only for unluck.That's why i've totally stop to play kb from years even if it was my favourite and best mod for several months)
I think most of actual popular mods are too random but only because they were made for let play lot of people..a simple example of what i mean:start to put more than 1000TF and you will drastically reduce the luck,but,from the other side,it will epicly increase the waiting time in queue.Also in brushu,where i think that the luck is very low respect any other popular mods,there is too much luck involved because i had to deal with 2 aspects:from 1 side remove as much possible the luck factor for made a ""pro mod"",and from the other side to let it become a popular mod(between more expert players at least).
I think toribash could be the game with most skills required in absolute,you just need to put the right settings(and imo there isn't neither 1 mod,between the mods i tried,that has the requirements),but anyway i'm pretty sure that it will never become so popular to get accepted into e-sports.The reason is that it's too hard and this push lot of people to stop to play after the first week/month(but that's also the reason that could make it become the most skilled game with the right settings imo)
About the prediction:i really don't know how you can say that Kasz..i can't understand how in a fighting game based on turns could be impossible to predict.Prediction is the basic of tb in multiplayer..maybe you played too much time in sp;)
As more people before me said,there are some settings that reduce the luck(or unluck)factor to the same level of any other e-sport game(and potentially even lower).
Kickbox ISN'T one of them,because 100 dt(like 100 frac)left too space for randomness(i totally belive u Akuma,and i'm sure that u got that dms only for unluck.That's why i've totally stop to play kb from years even if it was my favourite and best mod for several months)
I think most of actual popular mods are too random but only because they were made for let play lot of people..a simple example of what i mean:start to put more than 1000TF and you will drastically reduce the luck,but,from the other side,it will epicly increase the waiting time in queue.Also in brushu,where i think that the luck is very low respect any other popular mods,there is too much luck involved because i had to deal with 2 aspects:from 1 side remove as much possible the luck factor for made a ""pro mod"",and from the other side to let it become a popular mod(between more expert players at least).
I think toribash could be the game with most skills required in absolute,you just need to put the right settings(and imo there isn't neither 1 mod,between the mods i tried,that has the requirements),but anyway i'm pretty sure that it will never become so popular to get accepted into e-sports.The reason is that it's too hard and this push lot of people to stop to play after the first week/month(but that's also the reason that could make it become the most skilled game with the right settings imo)
About the prediction:i really don't know how you can say that Kasz..i can't understand how in a fighting game based on turns could be impossible to predict.Prediction is the basic of tb in multiplayer..maybe you played too much time in sp;)
Last edited by bRuCiA; Nov 28, 2011 at 11:41 PM.
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If hampa added a better tutorial I think that more people would get encouraged too keep playing.
A true replay maker only knows blood,sweat,tears and glory...ALSO failure, ALOT of failure.
also i sing harshvocals n stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keIOUNr_PAM
also i sing harshvocals n stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keIOUNr_PAM
idk..imo tb isn't a game that can be teached so much to others...you have to wrong and wrong for understand how this body works..but maybe i say this only because i've learn everything from myself and so can't image so well another way for do it(and also because i totally suck in teaching:d)
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