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Originally Posted by Faint View Post
That may be true, but in all honesty, more worse came out of this shit-storm of a war than good. I mean, we put ourselves in way over our heads, we lost numerous amounts of money, and countless lives were lost.

Yes, America is a greedy, and partly fucked country, but I will in no way say that this war was worth it, ever.

Nor was I saying so, but it's not like our government did it for no reason. They had their own reasons.
"Following the invasion, the U.S.-led Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iraq had ended its nuclear, chemical, and biological programs in 1991 and had no active programs at the time of the invasion but that Iraq intended to resume production once sanctions were lifted.[53] Although some degraded remnants of misplaced or abandoned chemical weapons from before 1991 were found, they were not the weapons which had been the main argument to justify the invasion.[54] Some U.S. officials also accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein of harboring and supporting al-Qaeda,[55] but no evidence of a meaningful connection was ever found.[56][57] Other reasons for the invasion given by the governments of the attacking countries included Iraq's financial support for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers,[58] Iraqi government human rights abuse,[59] and an effort to spread democracy to the country.[60][61]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War


The reasons they had weren't that great. Going to war with a country and losing thousands, if not millions, of lives and countless amounts of money just to spread democracy really isn't worth the trouble. The only really justifiable reasons they had were to find weapons of mass destruction and find the tyrant leaders Osama and Sadam. I guess that was enough of a cause to go there and get into the whole fiasco, but honestly, the entire result of this war was NOTHING like we would have ever imagined.
Last edited by Faint; Dec 25, 2011 at 05:47 AM.
Originally Posted by Vox View Post
@OP:
Do you have any opinion on the speed of troop withdrawal? The original plan was by the end of 2011, now it's 2012, how the heck will they pull that off?

Probably with a mixture of boats, ships, and hovercraft.
Originally Posted by Vox
Related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-C2v_q0d-w
1.5 trillion dollars, you killed Osama, without a trial. GOOD JOB WITH THAT. :|

Manufactured outrage. If you're going to complain about how soldiers fighting in open combat aren't given a trial, you're going to have to condemn a whole lot more than the United States.
Originally Posted by Vox
Eh, you failed to do your research, here are the problems with that post:
A) The troops came home according to bush's plans, Obama let the current plans continue. He did nothing of value.

Except actually NOT stick to that promise, which you know, was easily an option. As the president he reaffirmed that promise and stuck to it.
Originally Posted by Vox
Yea remember that? src: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/war-is-ov...-by-years-end/

B) The Iraq government would not grant the US troops legal immunity, the US retracted due to that, care to guess why? The real problem is that the US Government kept asking if they could stay even longer.

Because obeying the law is for noobs. src: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/10/17/...roop-presence/

Don't understand the implications of removing diplomatic immunity from soldiers who may be engaged in open combat with Iraqi civilians?
Also, your source is media speculation denied by the U.S. government.
Originally Posted by Vox
C) The number of troops staying is 150. To defend the embassy. How is that going to keep things on the up and up?

It isn't, which is why he wanted more to stay.
Originally Posted by Vox
By the way, USA, your military is coming home, the 'Defence authorisation act' looks like it will pass, that means they can now arrest you indefinitely without trial or reason, and the military can act within borders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tO2irR2Wj8
Have fun with that.

Over 4/5 of the active military is still at home.
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Despite their approach, the cause was just and necessary. Both Osama and Sadam were tyrants and needed to be stopped, it's a simple as that.
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Originally Posted by Boredpayne View Post
Manufactured outrage. If you're going to complain about how soldiers fighting in open combat aren't given a trial, you're going to have to condemn a whole lot more than the United States.

Personally I don't condone war in the first place, but I digress; invading a country and killing a man who you just woke up, still in pyjamas, who cowers behind his wife in his bedroom is hardly comparable to 'how soldiers fight in open combat'. From a moral standpoint I think you can at least appreciate that killing an unarmed man - no matter how much you don't like them - is unjustified. I am pretty sure a well trained elite team can overpower a 50 year old man in his pyjamas, so there is really no excuse for killing rather than detaining.

I think there would be quite an outrage if soldiers attacked sleeping enemies and slaughtered them.

However the worst part is when Americans refer to the killing of Osama as 'justice'. Actually, the really sickening part is when Americans go on about 'oh how weak Osama was, I heard he was huddled and crying and begging for his life and even cowering behind his wife, haha what a loser. I'm glad they killed him'. Whenever an American says something like that it makes me sick to my stomach.

This is the kind of behaviour which is an indicator of a psychopath... I guess the most troubling part of this situation is that the majority of USA are showing psychopathic tendencies.

Originally Posted by Vox View Post
durr

I think you are really scraping the bottom when you say someone is wrong in saying;
'9 years' instead of '8 years and 270 days'
'4500' instead of '4483'
'800 billion' (obvious typo was made) instead of '757.8 billion' ignoring your other source
And 1,000,000 dead Iraqis vs 103,536 to 113,125 casualties as a a result of the war. Notice you are both talking about different things, the 1 million includes deaths from food shortages, infrastructure failure, in other words it is 'how many people died as a result of the war' as opposed to 'how many people were killed by the war'.

The current purpose of the war is to support stability and rebuilding of the nation, correct? In my opinion although the war should never have been started nor have gone this far, nor should USA have carpet bombed civilian targets, etc, in short there were a lot of mistakes and bad things, however it is irresponsible of the USA to pull out now.

But I guess if you consider that USA is the main target of the insurgents, and internal and international pressures, maybe it is the right move. Allied forces are less at risk and without the US presence the region stands a better chance of stabilizing.
Last edited by Gormun; Dec 27, 2011 at 05:22 PM.
IN my opinion, its sorta strange how the US Governement spent so many lives and so much money on a foriegn issue while in their actual land they dont. (or considerably less for that matter)
In my opinion this is great news. The war is finally over. I really felt bad for the citizens for Iraq. They are free!

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Originally Posted by king01 View Post
In my opinion this is great news. The war is finally over. I really felt bad for the citizens for Iraq. They are free!

But may be true but i don't think the US has heard the last of Al-Qleda(i don't know if i spelled that right)
Originally Posted by watersurf View Post
But may be true but i don't think the US has heard the last of Al-Qleda(i don't know if i spelled that right)

Yah I know. The Al Qaeda are really bad people. They kill people like it's a game. I hope they get eliminated.

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