Originally Posted by Felepeno
Well i know most convience stores have lots of cameras, emerg. buttons, And im sure the robber knows what he has gotten him self into, If that cashier reaches for a shotgun. You sure as hell wouldnt kill him unless your an idiot. They also have special procedures for these situations. (I use to work at a convience store) I do agree with you Oracle that its sure is hell tipped on your side but they do prepare for this.
-----
Now.. Yea i can complain about taking a 7 hour course on a saturday morning, Its long, sunny, and sweaty. Just because i complain about this doesn't mean i don't deserve a gun.
I agree its for killing things, But there are certain things that you kill, Hunting, Police, Etc.
Guns can be used for good, And can be used for bad, But my key word here is "used" The user is the only one controlling that power. Unless the manufacturer fucks up. But they rarely do.
If he reaches for a shotgun, the robber WILL shoot because he now has reason to fear for his life. And the cashier will shoot because he has reason to fear for his life. He's not going to pull out a gun, and then just expect the robber to meekly put his hands up.
And quite frankly, there are several sunny Saturday mornings in your lifetime, losing 7 hours of one of them is nothing to bitch about. If you complain over losing time because of such a meager amount of training, you shouldn't be owning that gun. If you aren't willing to sacrifice something to obtain a weapon, you shouldn't be owning it. If you lived in Canada, you would have to be a part of a handgun club for 3 months, with good attendance, and demonstrate good responsibility, and have several club members vouch for you to even be a candidate to own a handgun. During this time, you would be getting several lessons on the proper operation of a handgun, maintenance, and general safety. Then you need to maintain membership, maintain attendance, and demonstrate responsibility after you get a handgun. If you don't, the club will report you to the local authorities, and they will confiscate your handgun. So in all honesty, if all you had to do was sit through a 7 hour lecture about handguns, you have it easy.
And again, America has proven time and time again that the users are retarded. It doesn't matter if the gun is good or bad. Since there's a good chance that the user is going to be an idiot, there's no reason why a gun should be so readily available. The amount of training that a person has to go through for owning a gun in America is laughable, considering the death toll that comes from gun ownership. Nobody is contesting the 12,000 murders every year from handguns, that number is fact. I also excluded the 16,000 suicides from them, and the 2,000 lethal accidents that happen every year. Out of all that, 600 of those murders are deemed valid for self-defense. 600 vs 11,400. For every 1 life killed in self-defense, 19 are killed in cold-blood. For every 1 life killed in self-defense, over 3 die from an accident. For every 1 life killed in self-defense, nearly 27 people kill themselves with a gun. Are those 600 murders, which include police and civilian incidents, worth the nearly 30,000 deaths?
nyan :3
Youtube Channel i sometimes post videos of other games
Youtube Channel i sometimes post videos of other games
Although I don't really feel I'm educated enough on the topic of gun ownership in the States, I don't think I'm wrong when I say that everyone who is in favor of gun ownership in any way shape or form is either selfish or just blatantly ignorant. (Oracle brought up a good point about how only guns with a shot should be the only guns allowed to be legally obtained. Sounds like a nice alternative to what we have now. But if it were up to me, I would ban guns completely.)
It's not a secret (its been pointed out in the thread too) that illegally obtained guns were legal at one point so its annoying to hear people defending legal gun ownership. In order to take guns out the hands of criminals, we must first make it impossible (or hard as fuck) for them to have access to any new ones.
But no, gun owners apparently need their guns for their own safety. They could care less if their support will eventually lead to more guns being thrown into the black market. They don't give a fuck. They're in it for the here and now. But surprisingly, I don't blame them. They're just the product of Amercian culture. Instead of looking at what benefits your actions can provide in the long run, people are more inclined to look at what can be done now in the short run. Tis the same exact mindset that's behind the plenty of high level scandals that take place in the US all the damn time.
Until we can shift the short-term mindset of the entire American culture to a more long-term geared mindset, the regulation of guns in the US will be a slow and painful process.
Honestly, I don't know how people can even support gun ownership and even be proud to defend it after that damn shooting that took place in that Colorado movie theater. It's not the gun, it's the person using it? How can you say that with a straight face when lives were lost during that incident, or any incident involving guns for that matter? How? D:
It's not a secret (its been pointed out in the thread too) that illegally obtained guns were legal at one point so its annoying to hear people defending legal gun ownership. In order to take guns out the hands of criminals, we must first make it impossible (or hard as fuck) for them to have access to any new ones.
But no, gun owners apparently need their guns for their own safety. They could care less if their support will eventually lead to more guns being thrown into the black market. They don't give a fuck. They're in it for the here and now. But surprisingly, I don't blame them. They're just the product of Amercian culture. Instead of looking at what benefits your actions can provide in the long run, people are more inclined to look at what can be done now in the short run. Tis the same exact mindset that's behind the plenty of high level scandals that take place in the US all the damn time.
Until we can shift the short-term mindset of the entire American culture to a more long-term geared mindset, the regulation of guns in the US will be a slow and painful process.
Honestly, I don't know how people can even support gun ownership and even be proud to defend it after that damn shooting that took place in that Colorado movie theater. It's not the gun, it's the person using it? How can you say that with a straight face when lives were lost during that incident, or any incident involving guns for that matter? How? D:
"Fear not the Tori who has practiced 10,000 openers once, but fear the Tori who has practiced one opener 10,000 times."
Originally Posted by Oracle
Let's say you have a gun. He comes in and asks for your money. You reach for the gun. He shoots you through the head. You lose your money, your life, and your skittles. Major improvement.
Originally Posted by Nikelaos
If he's got a weapon in his hand, reaching for yours isn't going to do your life expectancy any favors. If he doesn't, that bat will do just fine.
Plus there's a reason we have insurance companies and the police. Insurance will get you your money and skittles back. Hell might not even need to insurance if you spent the money you saved not buying guns on cctv.
I also agree with previous statements seeing no use (outside of going postal) in automatic guns and firearms holding more than one bullet at a time, its unnecessary for both self defence and hunting.
The one thing i will concede is that it will be rediculously hard in practice to implement firearm restrictions on a country like America where firearm ownership is so widespread. Trying to do too much at once could be more harmful than its worth. However, in Europe where gun ownership is far less common and restrictions are already in place, I see loosening regulations as lunacy.
I have never seen a store owner reach for the gun when the other when the gun is pointed at his face, they do it when they try to run away.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Errrr To many large post i do not care to take the time to read! But Anyways. im gonna attempt to move this conversation away from the robbery idea because that is AGAIN done by stupid people but for now im only gonna look at the pros have using a gun, To start off, The only reason for using a gun is for self defense. And in some instances a gun can be used to save lives. For instance, I live in Boulder, Not too far from Aurora were the Theater shootings happened, Now we all know movie theaters do not allow guns. darkness rules and what not. But i believe that even though their are guards for these public places, They do not have guns on them. They have batons... Which is more than useless than their fists, The man that shot, Had guns in his duffel bag, That they failed to check. I do not understand why they do not have armed guards with firearms on them, To help these people. This shooter could have been shot before anything happens, And saved lots of lives, If it was for guns that these guards SHOULD be carrying.
WHO SAID I WAS HUMAN? I'LL KICK THEIR ASS!
Originally Posted by Felepeno
Errrr To many large post i do not care to take the time to read! But Anyways. im gonna attempt to move this conversation away from the robbery idea because that is AGAIN done by stupid people but for now im only gonna look at the pros have using a gun, To start off, The only reason for using a gun is for self defense. And in some instances a gun can be used to save lives. For instance, I live in Boulder, Not too far from Aurora were the Theater shootings happened, Now we all know movie theaters do not allow guns. darkness rules and what not. But i believe that even though their are guards for these public places, They do not have guns on them. They have batons... Which is more than useless than their fists, The man that shot, Had guns in his duffel bag, That they failed to check. I do not understand why they do not have armed guards with firearms on them, To help these people. This shooter could have been shot before anything happens, And saved lots of lives, If it was for guns that these guards SHOULD be carrying.
Main problem right there, if they would of seen them they could of just tackled the guy and beat him to a bloody pulp.Guns would not of helped in this situation and the only time a gun can do good for THIS country is at war, using it to defeat enemies and keeping our freedom safe. Oh and for SWAT and what not. But your instance does not call for the use of guns.
But in all reality... I think I might be insane...
