1, 2, 4, 5) There obviously shouldn't be moves dedicated to clans. The DAT members who claim that rocker's kick is a trademark of their clan are mislead. When calling the kick, "Rocker's kick", it gives credit to him as the first person to use/create it. This does not mean that if you happen to create a move similar to it by means of experimentation, that you are in violation of some nonexistent copyright. You are entitled to use it if that's the case. When someone (such as yourself[?]) intentionally copies the exact joint states and uses it, there's bound to be an irritated person or two. You have to understand, the individuals who make moves that work, pour in valuable time and effort into their creations. When someone bypasses this process, it becomes something disdainful.

If I were to write an essay for English class, my time would be spent writing a rough draft, revising said draft, and creating a final paper. Say someone unknown to me happened to get a hold of my essay, and copied it down to the very last period. Once the due date is reached, both the alleged copier and I hand in the same essays. (Let us overlook the fact that the teacher would pick up on plagiarism) We receive our papers back and both of us receive a good grade. Now I, being so very sharp, find out only now that someone has copied my exact essay and received the same grade. Hypothetically, I would be angered beyond belief, realizing that someone received a good grade for work they didn't do, my work no less. The same feelings are displayed when someone finds another person who "copy&paste"-ed a move known only to him/her.

Now, say someone happened to see my essay and used it as a base for their idea, or HIVEMIND, and produced an essay similar to mine. Upon seeing said essay I (hypothetically) wouldn't be mad, because he/she/pirate still went through their own writing process and wrote their own paper, even if it's based off another.

With only so many joints, joint states, and perception of a general attack in a mode, there is bound to be a look-alike. Though the flamers most likely will not know for sure if it has been "copy&paste"-ed, you should have a sense of what process you took, and whether it was honorable or not.

When one goes through the process of creating a move, and ends up with something unique and effective, there is a certain pride that is attached to that move. The sad truth is, this pride will cause problems once one sees a similar move, obtained through experimentation or not.

That's all that really needs to be pointed out.

First off, welcome to the community! (Yes, I completely forgot about this <.<)

And now for the answers.

-Is it right to have a single or a few moves dedicated to a single clan?
No. People don't invent moves in Toribash. They discover them. No copyrights. That would be like Carl Sagan suing you for talking about astronomy.

-Why is it wrong to use moves which someone other has made?
It's not. I will admit that I often use openers discovered by someone else in Wushu, like Zaarock's kick or Dafe's uppercut. Thing is, I don't copy them exactly. I adapt them to my own playing style (or did, since I haven't wushu'ed in a couple of months). Dafe's uppercut, for instance, I turn into a weird kick.

-Is it right to flame to people about copying others' moves?
It's not right to flame, period.

-When a person who is in a clan invents a move, does it mean that it's his clan's "official" move?
No. TommyTank made the secks move and he's in spirit, but it's not "spirit's move". While it is a move some of spirit uses on occasion, it's not a move exclusive to the clan. I've seen others outside of the clan use it, and my usual reaction (as far as I can recall) was "LOL, we have a Tommy fan in the house!" or something.

-Why would a single move be some clan's "official" move?
It wouldn't. People may not like it when you do a move they discovered, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. And there's no such thing as copyrighted moves, for clans or individuals.

-Is it bad to lose to a low belt? If yes, why?
It's not bad to lose, period. Even if some people think so. Some players find that it hurts their pride to lose to a low belt, but it's just a good sign. It means that someday that low belt will probably be kicking ass left and right.

-Is it bad for a low belt to streak? If yes, why?
Like above, it's actually good. Means that low belt is a promising individual. People who say otherwise probably just feel humiliated that you beat them.

meh, I'm late to the thread and too tired to post all of my beliefs on the subject. But from day one I have viewed wushu in a similar light to that of chess. Not only is it based heavily on strategy and trying to think a few moves ahead, but also, in more relevance to this issue, is that people create openings and other people adopt them. In chess, there are legendary openings just like in wushu, and I'm guessing that also in chess people will get upset when other people use their creation, but, that's the game folks. Honestly I'm guessing that who ever these people were probably dont use 100% original openers 100% of the time.

I would encourage you to create your own moves, but only so you can experience the joy of it, from what you have said here it sounds like you are well on your way to doing that and I look forward to seeing you around.

What move is this now?

Moves are not owned by ANYONE period. It is a move constructed of moving joints, it's not a official document restricting its use. Besides, all those guys use copied moves, because if it was illegal to copy, some people would have an original good move and others would have original bad moves and thus, could not work. Ignore those guys, they are just mad that a low belt is beating them. And no, losing to a low belt is not bad, because belts does not actually represent the skill within the player. I've seen white belt with much skill and I've seen 8th Dans with hardly any skills. But yeah, this rant you constructed is very good, Gold. I respect you for shining light on these questions. Much luck to you, Gold!

i wouldnt blame ppl for saying thats there move lots of other ppl steal move inculding me:o if i made a move and someboy copied it and say its there then i get flamed at for no reason and ppl are stuck up theses days in toribash >_>

Is this the rocker kick?



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not even close^

Thanks guys(?), for your help and welcomes and congratulations for making a good rant, heh
You made me feel a lot better... The swearing and flaming and others started to annoy me... Thanks a lot, again.
You rock!

@Chac
No, no for public.

@mip
Lol

Gratz

But yeah remember that this is the internet and they are just acting big and pissed off. Try not to give a crap about people who put you down unless they confront you in real life, then, beat 'em up lol.