Toribash
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Wushu World Championship
Aikido is not the only mod deserving of a huge world championship event.
Wushu should get one too!

To avoid blatant running, this event should take place in a dojo or a box (boxshu.tbm)

I recognize that it may seem stupid of me to post such an idea, and maybe even insulting to staff because of the immense amount of work put into the Aikido World Championship, but Wushu sports an entirely different community than Aikido does. I am also not asking for a tourney as large as the Aikido Championship. Prizes would be smaller and just a more casual event.

This would of course be hosted by admins just as the Aikido Championship is/has been.

Currently I do not have much else to add, so feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Last edited by Omiwom; Dec 28, 2013 at 06:40 AM.
boxshu should be the direction wushu takes if people are actually serious about making it competitive. I'd raise the roof a bit to not constrict movement tho.
the god
Originally Posted by Kristis133 View Post
I was thinking about this for awhile. I'm (with the help of my clan)hosting TBAP(The best aikido player of <year>) every year at winter. I was thinking about hosting a similar event every season if I'd find a small group of people that could help me now and then.

For now I was thinking about:

The best aikido player - Winter (well you already know what mods are included )
The best taekkyon player - Spring (would include most of the taekkyon mods: taekkyon, erthtk etc)
The best wushu player - Summer (would include most of the wushu mods such as: Wushu, brushu, wushu3 etc)
The best lenshu player - Autumn (would include most of the high gravity mods such as: Lenshu, lenshu3, ninjutsu, stabjutsu etc)

What'cha guys think?
It definitely wouldn't be as huge as this 1000USD event that was just hosted.

But still something.
Always nice to find out who's the best. :>

what about judo?

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[c]hess
Originally Posted by TheGod View Post
you can't host anything cause you don't even have 200 toricredits. Furthermore, nobody important (that doesn't include you or any of the "muh wushu" crew) is going to waste their time to host or play in a competitive tournament where the rules state that you aren't allowed to try your hardest to win.

I have to admit that this is actually quite entertaining seeing this from you. You're just here to take stabs at people you hardly know, and express your overly biased view. Let us not make this too personal.

If a tournament's rules expresses fair-play, and from that means that your view of 'competitive' is ruled out, it does not mean that others won't find it competitive. If you're going to have to 'always comeback', then sure, you will have to, but you can be COMPETITIVE about how you do it. I can ensure you that wushu games get very intense when you're playing fair, you're not running, and you're just having a good time. It's not everyone's cup of tea, after all - similar to the recent Nabi Aikido tourney.

I do think that something along the lines of a 'Wushu World Championshop' would be great to have happen, along with other mods such as TK, Lenshu, ABD, Aikido (everything deserves a chance to get some spotlight), etc. It's not like there isn't enough room for all our favourite mods to get some action, it's just about who's going to be willing to host the events. The idea from Kristis is attractive to say the least.
the idea is great.
today was a wushu gmtourney ( don't know if it happened because of this thread )
and i have to say: no rule against running, very few people tried to run and if they try to, against someone with skill it wont work anyway.
boxshu might be a good alternative but the wushu community USUALLY plays fair in my opinion.
and yes: there are more mods deserving of championships but i think aikido was chosen because it has the highest playerbase ( correct me if im wrong ).
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Originally Posted by Deuteria View Post
I have to admit that this is actually quite entertaining seeing this from you. You're just here to take stabs at people you hardly know, and express your overly biased view. Let us not make this too personal.

If a tournament's rules expresses fair-play, and from that means that your view of 'competitive' is ruled out, it does not mean that others won't find it competitive. If you're going to have to 'always comeback', then sure, you will have to, but you can be COMPETITIVE about how you do it. I can ensure you that wushu games get very intense when you're playing fair, you're not running, and you're just having a good time. It's not everyone's cup of tea, after all - similar to the recent Nabi Aikido tourney.

I don't know how you can call me the biased one when you're entire worth to this game seems devoted to spreading the prophet of wushu; your signature itself is simply an advertisement for wushu: team wushu, clan flow, etc. etc.. You are the one with an agenda, calling me biased just cause I placed well in an aikido tourney is stupid; I've spent almost 95% of my time these past months in WUSHU SERVERS; I don't even like playing aikido, my views aren't based from emotion they're based from fact. Aikido needs to make no special rules to make the matches entertaining and competitive, the same can't be said for wushu. When the rules you want for a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP state "you can not try your hardest to win this game", you know you have a (big fucking) problem. I'm not saying you can't still host your "fair play" events and have fun amongst your wushu network, I'm saying the whole community wont rally around it like you guys do.
the god
You cannot seriously play competitively when you have restrictions on how someone can play...
As much as I like wushu as a mod, it simply ISN'T competitive. Rushkicks into runs can win nearly every game, and basically 700 frames is taken up by no action.
At least in aikido, there's a challenge to counter someones shovel, and even a soft counter can set up for nice gameplay. Wushu just doesn't have this capacity.

Holding a wushu tourney is fine, but you can't call it competitive.
Originally Posted by snake View Post
but did i said anything about competative wushu?....

A world championship is by nature competitive
the god
Originally Posted by Kradel View Post
If these things are a problem then someone needs to create a mod like this:

No DM, No Frac, DQ dojo. 320 Frames. Dojo Size 700. 10 TurnFrames and a low gravity.

Low gravity limits posability of jumping away and running. No Dm and no fracture means nobody gets lucky. DQ In a 700 Sized dojo means they can't run away up to the point of not being caught but also no shoveling.


so, what you want is basically a rk-mma/lenshu with less match and turnframes ?! Sorry but it won't work as good as you may think.
Originally Posted by Fear View Post
You cannot seriously play competitively when you have restrictions on how someone can play...
As much as I like wushu as a mod, it simply ISN'T competitive. Rushkicks into runs can win nearly every game, and basically 700 frames is taken up by no action.
At least in aikido, there's a challenge to counter someones shovel, and even a soft counter can set up for nice gameplay. Wushu just doesn't have this capacity.

Holding a wushu tourney is fine, but you can't call it competitive.

This is simply not true. If you look at any real-life competition, you will find tons of restrictions. Couple of examples:

Judo - You can't throw people on their head(even though it's theoretically possible). Your throws have to be executed with proper technique, otherwise you get disqualified etc.

Jiu-jitsu - different types of leg-locks are ilegal in some competitions(the obvious restrictions for any grappling sport include no striking, obviously).

Boxing - No punches under the belt, no backfists, no punches to the back of the head etc. and you could go on and on...

Now I know you're going to say that on-line multiplayer games are different. But I remember a situation in cs: source a couple years ago:

De_inferno had a bug that occured when you planted the bomb inside of a fountain. It made it mostly impossible to defuse. Valve did nothing to fix this, therefore the people that hosted tourneys/ladders enforced a restriction to plant inside the fountain. It was also an unwritten rule in pugs/gathers. Nobody was breaking this rule surprisingly. And I'm sure you could find other examples.

Either way, I don't understand the logic of some people here. How is a match with a single engagement and running for the rest of the game more competitive than a game where people engage 3+ times? Wouldn't the latter determine the better player more clearly? I think it would.

Snake posted a link to a wushu championship organized by TW. The rules were improv, always cb etc. Now look at some of those replays and tell me that it wasn't competitive. Check out the True to Pain tournament in wushu. It has tons of rules and it remains very competitive. Please wake up already.

However it might be a good idea to compete in slightly larger box than in boxshu.tbm with increased ed. Since you wouldn't have to worry about enforcing any rules outside the ones set by the mod.

The very best solution though would be changing the way toribash is scored. The current point system is extremely flawed, since it even allows running as a viable option. And no, running doesn't make the game more competitive, you'd have to be an idiot to think that. What I propose is that the player who scores a certain amount of points first gets the win. Like a health bar, if you will. If the matchframes run out and neither player scored enough, it is ruled a draw. This makes running utterly pointless.

Btw this community is ridden with people who(for whatever reason) think toribash is a perfect game and there is nothing that should be adjusted. That is a ridiculous idea. This game is already very good and has even greater potential. But there is not much interest in making it better. Sad, really.

p.s. : Care to explain to me how TW rules(for example) make the mod less competitive? I would love to hear an actual argument.