Well of course it goes without saying that changing anything habitual or putting thought into what you eat or how you eat is within it's very nature requiring more work than to just let yourself run on cruise control. My point is that it requires little work to make large changes when you're bordering on extremes.
What you're talking about, in almost all terms of the problem with obese people, revolves around how people think when they're uneducated. People think that health problems are a long way away because they don't have the education. People think "I have fine enough mobility and energy" because they're not smart enough to associate their day to day struggles with their sedentary lifestyles. They have that low self-esteem, yeah sure because they were picked on, but more than likely nowadays because they feel it'd be too hard or "not worth it" to change.
All of this comes from a lack of education. People feel just "doomed" to have diabetes or die of a heart attack because they don't understand what dieting and exercise really is about. Had they been told when they were 14 years old how to count calories really easily, how easy it is to go from "shit to fit", how much better life is when you're not in constant pain and putting incredible amount of burden on your body just to do day to day stuff, they more than likely would feel encouraged to change. Going back to the socioeconomic point- I don't think poor people are fat because the dollar menu at McDonalds is their staple, because like I said I don't think healthy living needs to be expensive living. I'd argue that from the research it's more like poor people have higher tendencies to be obese because they tend to have worse education and resources like having access to a registered dietician.
Unfortunately, Nutrition is filled with so much "broscience" from "that one friend of yours that looks pretty good" that nobody gets the real education they need, and get disappointed when switching from regular gum to sugar free and switching from coke to coke zero wasn't enough to go from having love handles to being Jeff Seid.
This is why I'm such a huge advocate for having a basic nutrition course taught in high school, for at least 3 weeks of the mandatory health class, taught by a registered dietician. I'm also in favor of schools paying for a dietician to be on staff to help students who are struggling. A healthy body is a healthy student who can succeed, and corporations are already paying for their employees to get nutritional help and personal training because it's cheaper than paying for their sky high health insurance and their sick days.
What you're talking about, in almost all terms of the problem with obese people, revolves around how people think when they're uneducated. People think that health problems are a long way away because they don't have the education. People think "I have fine enough mobility and energy" because they're not smart enough to associate their day to day struggles with their sedentary lifestyles. They have that low self-esteem, yeah sure because they were picked on, but more than likely nowadays because they feel it'd be too hard or "not worth it" to change.
All of this comes from a lack of education. People feel just "doomed" to have diabetes or die of a heart attack because they don't understand what dieting and exercise really is about. Had they been told when they were 14 years old how to count calories really easily, how easy it is to go from "shit to fit", how much better life is when you're not in constant pain and putting incredible amount of burden on your body just to do day to day stuff, they more than likely would feel encouraged to change. Going back to the socioeconomic point- I don't think poor people are fat because the dollar menu at McDonalds is their staple, because like I said I don't think healthy living needs to be expensive living. I'd argue that from the research it's more like poor people have higher tendencies to be obese because they tend to have worse education and resources like having access to a registered dietician.
Unfortunately, Nutrition is filled with so much "broscience" from "that one friend of yours that looks pretty good" that nobody gets the real education they need, and get disappointed when switching from regular gum to sugar free and switching from coke to coke zero wasn't enough to go from having love handles to being Jeff Seid.
This is why I'm such a huge advocate for having a basic nutrition course taught in high school, for at least 3 weeks of the mandatory health class, taught by a registered dietician. I'm also in favor of schools paying for a dietician to be on staff to help students who are struggling. A healthy body is a healthy student who can succeed, and corporations are already paying for their employees to get nutritional help and personal training because it's cheaper than paying for their sky high health insurance and their sick days.
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Originally Posted by Oracle
Your post didn't disagree with the premise that overweight people should lose weight, but it did point out there is a push for fat acceptance. There could be an argument that the fat acceptance movement is an attempt to justify staying fat, but the movement is mainly based on how, even when becoming a very large, no pun intended, minority, everything is still structured for thin people with little to no attempts to accomodate larger people.
Well, that's not true. These 'fat acceptance' people think being fat is a legitimate body type that is completely natural and acceptable.
They get very upset at the 'claim' that being 'overweight' (a term they challenge, by the way) is a health risk.
Actually there are even people who are 'transfat', which means they are transitioning to being fat. These people put pillows under their clothes to emulate being fat, and eat a lot of food to put on weight.
The movement is not based on lack of fat infrastructure, it is based on the idea that being obese is completely natural and even preferable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_acceptance_movement
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jes-ba...b_5200650.html (from a critic)
http://ineedfatacceptance.tumblr.com/
"I need fat acceptance because I’m sick (pun intended) of my body being pathologized. I want to live in a world where *all* bodies are respected." - These people do not think being fat is unhealthy.
http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com/
I couldn't find the thinhate stuff, but I only looked for two minutes, I'll post it next time I see it. These people absolutely hate fat people and often post pictures of 'regular' women with a caption like "only dogs like bones" or "this is not a real woman" or whatever.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig
Well, that's not true. These 'fat acceptance' people think being fat is a legitimate body type that is completely natural and acceptable.
They get very upset at the 'claim' that being 'overweight' (a term they challenge, by the way) is a health risk.
Actually there are even people who are 'transfat', which means they are transitioning to being fat. These people put pillows under their clothes to emulate being fat, and eat a lot of food to put on weight.
The movement is not based on lack of fat infrastructure, it is based on the idea that being obese is completely natural and even preferable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_acceptance_movement
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jes-ba...b_5200650.html (from a critic)
http://ineedfatacceptance.tumblr.com/
"I need fat acceptance because I’m sick (pun intended) of my body being pathologized. I want to live in a world where *all* bodies are respected." - These people do not think being fat is unhealthy.
http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com/
I couldn't find the thinhate stuff, but I only looked for two minutes, I'll post it next time I see it. These people absolutely hate fat people and often post pictures of 'regular' women with a caption like "only dogs like bones" or "this is not a real woman" or whatever.
Facebook posts like that really bug me. It's like they're glorifying being fat. Look at it like this, if everyone always called you beautiful, when you are morbidly obese, you will never have the will to lose the weight. That, or at least a lot less motivation to do so. Anyways, I'm not trying to bash overweight people, it's just a problem a lot of people just shrug off. When in reality it is the number 2 biggest avoidable cause of death in America. That being said, think about it. Would you rather everyone be called beautiful the weight they are, or thousands of lives be saved by saying that it isn't acceptable. Think about it.
Originally Posted by Oracle
Your post didn't disagree with the premise that overweight people should lose weight, but it did point out there is a push for fat acceptance. There could be an argument that the fat acceptance movement is an attempt to justify staying fat, but the movement is mainly based on how, even when becoming a very large, no pun intended, minority, everything is still structured for thin people with little to no attempts to accomodate larger people.
Also Hax, even if there is support from some people for fat people trying to lose weight, there are some, probably like the OP, who really just give no fucks about the other person and derides them for their weight. I spent a good portion of my childhood severely overweight, yet the most athletic kid in my school. I've been on the school basketball team, soccer team, volleyball team, track team in the maximum number of events they could sign me up for during the regionals because I came first in all but one event during the inter-school, baseball and softball teams, cross-country team, competitive swim teams, and several other athletic game things common in schools, yet all I would hear from classmates and people's whispers in public was my rotund body shape. I was capable of lifting a classmate over my head, and left almost everybody in a 300 student school in the dust during races, and all I would hear is how I was fat. People don't see past the body shape unless they see somebody try to do something about it, and even then a good portion of them still laugh as though it's a futile attempt. During every game when I was still in sports, I've seen the pointing and snickering at me when I would show up, and it would always end with something along the lines off "who would of thought a fat kid could jump?" (something I actually had the pleasure of being told straight to my face after shutting down an opposing team's offense in basketball). Not everybody is supportive of fat people, even active ones. You can have a network of support like I had with coaches and some teammates, but it just takes one asshole to make you feel like it's all futile.
You didn't sound to over weight. What you were packing wasn't Fat and Water, most of that overweightness was muscle. If you were fat you lost the fat at some point lifting, swimming and running.
Fat people should pay Fat Taxes so we can accommodate their size.
Last edited by T0ribush; Apr 29, 2014 at 08:25 PM.
Originally Posted by cjslick
hmm ok well i'm here to ask what you guys feel about obese people, not generally fat, but as in super fat like his thigh his skin is really saggy
ok, dont get offended, but i really feel sorry for people who are obese and i do not understand what they have done to let themself go that bad
i love food yes everyone does but excersise is also great
sorry if i offended any of you, but if you're obese, you need to consider working out more.
Edited: please try to be less offensive
again, i'm talking about obese people, not fat
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both of these pics are from google
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you see, you're implying as if i think everyone who is fat in a negative manner, you need to understand the separation of people who are moderately overweight from those that are downright obese.
hell, at least i feel sorry for them
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCb32OEc2o
this is an example of a guy who fights and never gives up, although he reached the point to being really really REALLY overweight, he never gave up and it is to my belief, that if you want something, you have to work for it
obese wants weight loss = work for it
i understand people may not have as much willpower/determination to lose their weight, but hey, I dont blame them, just increases their chances of getting a disease, or a health issue.
Last edited by imapirate; Apr 30, 2014 at 01:50 AM.
