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Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
Interesting suggestion. Let's ask the dictionary if it agrees:

Prejudice-preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or logic
Or
Prejudice-dislike, hostility or unjust behaviour deriving from Unfounded opinions


I was referring to the latter in my thread starting post but the former is sufficient.

Dude. I'm going to use caps in this next part so you pay attention to it. An OPINION that isn't based on reason or logic IS STILL AN OPINION. It doesn't matter if it's the stupidist opinion in the world, it's still an opinion. You're talking about punishing people for their opinions.

Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
I don't know how you think prejudice has anything to do with others disagreeing with the opinion.

I very clearly explained myself in my previous post. Read it again. Don't argue with me about it until you read it again. You're not considering what people in this thread are saying - you're just arguing with them for the sake of arguing. That's not how discussions work.

edit: Heaps of people in this thread need to read the rules. Don't enter a discussion if you don't know your shit. At least have half an idea of what's going on before you post.
Last edited by Ele; Oct 16, 2014 at 03:19 PM.
You said "prejudice is SIMPLY an opinion which someone has on something"

The word simply implies there are no complexities to the matter. As the definition of it explained, it is not simply just any opinion.

I also specified that I AM TALKING ABOUT ACTIONS NOT THOUGHTS. Sorry for caps.

Is that ok? Or do you still not understand what I meant in the discussion starter.
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Originally Posted by Ele View Post

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You're talking about opinions, we're talking about prejudice.
Opinions are your thoughts on something, note that they are not necessarily based on facts or knowledge.
Prejudice is a pre-made belief on something based on simply what you see. 0 reason, logic, experience or thought behind it.
Prejudice and opinion may seem to mean the same thing, but they are seriously different in almost every way.
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Originally Posted by Dscigs View Post
You're talking about opinions, we're talking about prejudice.
Opinions are your thoughts on something, note that they are not necessarily based on facts or knowledge.
Prejudice is a pre-made belief on something based on simply what you see. 0 reason, logic, experience or thought behind it.
Prejudice and opinion may seem to mean the same thing, but they are seriously different in almost every way.

Pretty close, but "based on simply what you see" is wrong, that implies logic and experience which contradicts the definition.

Prejudice cannot have any logic or experience behind it at all, those are the two requirements.
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Bleh, I worded it poorly.
I meant more along the lines of just your initial reaction to something.
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Originally Posted by Dscigs View Post
You're talking about opinions, we're talking about prejudice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prejudice
That is all.
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Glad we are all in agreement about what this discussion is about. Now then, to the read discussion with proper arguments and stuff.

I think that reletively harmful acts of prejudice should be punishable when the prejudice leading to the action is more dangerous or harmful that the act would be by itself. For example, shouting verbal abuse at someone because of discriminatory prejudice should be punished more firmly than someone simply verbally abusing a random member of the public for shits and giggles. I understand that you might disagree with this but I think that hateful and unjustified bad actions are worse than just being a general asshole because it is fun.

However, this rule doesn't apply or is completely reversed in cases of really really nasty actions. I could use many examples but the most extreme that comes to mind is suicide bombings. Suicide bombers are generally horrible people who have misunderstood a religion or are completely deluded about what they are achieving in their actions. However, if you believe (however wrongly and ignorantly) that you are making the works a better place by killing innocent people then you are just confused. Although this is a terrible act it is much better than killing dozens of people for shits and giggles while being totally aware of the consequences of the crime.


I really, really don't want to link this with Islam but if I remember my primary school RS lessons correctly there is a message in the Koran which relates perfectly to my rule. It can be paraphrased into "what Allah cares about is the intention of the action, not the result." This is probably meant to mean that accidental harm is forgivable and thus acts of intentional violence are not forgiven unless it is completely necessary.

I hope this post makes enough sense to create a decent enough discussion. If you disagree please tell me using logical analysis rather than straw man arguments and hyperbole.
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Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
The word simply implies there are no complexities to the matter. As the definition of it explained, it is not simply just any opinion.

It doesn't matter if it's 'not simply just any opinion'. It's still an opinion. I've stressed this point many time. Please make an effort. Read what I've said to Dscigs below for even further clarification.

Originally Posted by protonitron View Post
I also specified that I AM TALKING ABOUT ACTIONS NOT THOUGHTS. Sorry for caps.

You decided halfway through the thread that's what you're talking about. I responded to the first post and we've been arguing the point I've made ever since.

It doesn't matter if you're talking about that with other people - it's irrelevant to our conversation. We are, and have been, talking about whether people should be punished for their opinions. You asked a question in the first post and I made a point. We're arguing about the point I made - not whatever point you're arguing with other people about.

Originally Posted by Dscigs View Post
Prejudice and opinion may seem to mean the same thing, but they are seriously different in almost every way.

They're not. You're wrong. A prejudice is a type of an opinion the same way a Ford is a type of car. No matter how you interpret it, it's still an opinion. My argument is that punishing people for opinions is a no-no under free speech.
Fair point. I thought I said it was only acts of prejudice that we would talk about in rules. I now realise that I only said expressed and intentionally advertised prejudice. That is entirely my fault and I apologise. Although I still don't completely agree with your point I accept that the majority if my points were also wrong because of my aforementioned error.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
Prejudice cannot have any logic or experience behind it at all, those are the two requirements.

Earlier in this thread prejudice was a subconscious association based on experience. Which is it?
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