Secret Santa 2024
Originally Posted by ronalds
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You're right. Changing the front page numbers now.
there's been a thread about this about every 4 months.
On 18, 2008 of the year August, we shall have tea. The following day we eat anyone wearing purple clothes. Then we get into tanks, drive a mile away from each other, and start firing random shells into the air. First one to hit the other tank gets a 5 second head start in the 1 legged race.

In the one legged race, you will be hogtied and forced to compete in the Boston marathon using your penis only. We shall also set down bear traps, landmines, barbed wire, and floating thumbs. Your penis will be painted to resemble an illusion that looks like a 3-D steak; as a result, several Dobermen and Rottweilers we will be taking for a walk that morning which have been starved the previous week may attack.
I would like to make the point that this cannot be calculated as a combination value, it is a permutation.

For example, in the simplest possible terms, I cannot contract my knees twice in two successive turns.

I would also like to point out the fact that not all of the moves will be dissimilar. Again, as an example, lets say I hold my knee after already contracting it, it will still act as though it were contracted unless it is forced out of that state my a blow with enough force to dislodge it.

So while on a technical level that is the number of possible moves, it is not actually the number of DIFFERENT moves.
Originally Posted by HollowRain View Post
I would like to make the point that this cannot be calculated as a combination value, it is a permutation.

For example, in the simplest possible terms, I cannot contract my knees twice in two successive turns.

Yes you can? For the record, you might also note a difference between holding joints and keeping them contracted.

Originally Posted by HollowRain
I would also like to point out the fact that not all of the moves will be dissimilar. Again, as an example, lets say I hold my knee after already contracting it, it will still act as though it were contracted unless it is forced out of that state my a blow with enough force to dislodge it.

So while on a technical level that is the number of possible moves, it is not actually the number of DIFFERENT moves.

Never said it was. Then again, the probability of two different actions giving the pinpoint-exact result is about the same as it is for two of the players in the cubical to invent the exact same move.
Anyone who accuses someone else of stealing an opener is a total idiot.

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Originally Posted by boaf View Post
Anyone who accuses someone else of stealing an opener is a total idiot.

I agree, although I must point out that this is not exactly what this topic revolves around.
Originally Posted by CMon View Post
I agree, although I must point out that this is not exactly what this topic revolves around.

I understand that, I just felt as if there was bound to be someone posting their thoughts on players that "stole" "their" openers.

Soz for the off-topic.

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About the small move differences...Contracting your neck can make a LARGE difference
Here is an example.

Contract L pec
Extend R pec
Right Rotate chest
Right bend lumbar

now play around with the neck and see how much of a difference that makes!

I love these threads.

Also, with different gravities, there are even MORE! :O

Example, wushu grav vs. sambo grav
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Here's how I look at this:

Every turn, the moves for one player can be represented in 21 base 4 digits, 20 of them for the joints and then a double boolean for the grip. Therefore, since it can be represented as such, it can also be represented as an integer between 0 and 4^21-1. For 2 players, you can represent it as 42 base 4 digits. For 3, 63. For 4 you have 84. Respectively, the integers are between 0 and 4^42-1, 0 and 4^63-1, and 0 and 4^84-1. Now, for every turn there is a set of these 42 digit numbers in base 4, so in two turns with 42 base 4 digits originally, you now have 84 base 4 digits. For 10 turns, you now have 420 base 4 digits. Therefore, you have 4^420 possible move combinations in 10 turns.

For reference, that's over 10^252 possible games. Assuming that we have 100000 super active players who play 1000 matches per day, each, against special bots who always use completely random moves and also play 1000 matches per day, which comes out to 36.5 billion matches per year, it would take us over 10^239 MILLENIA to have explored every move. That's also assuming we DON'T reuse ANY. Ever.

For reference, the universe is expected to last 10^100 years or so. That's a difference of 152 orders of magnitude. Alternatively, look at that as one number being multiplied with the other and 100 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000. That should be 152 zeroes. Feel free to count for verification, but even if there's not, add on a few more.

This is also for a single game mode.
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Originally Posted by suomynona View Post
Here's how I look at this:

Every turn, the moves for one player can be represented in 21 base 4 digits, 20 of them for the joints and then a double boolean for the grip. Therefore, since it can be represented as such, it can also be represented as an integer between 0 and 4^21-1. For 2 players, you can represent it as 42 base 4 digits. For 3, 63. For 4 you have 84. Respectively, the integers are between 0 and 4^42-1, 0 and 4^63-1, and 0 and 4^84-1. Now, for every turn there is a set of these 42 digit numbers in base 4, so in two turns with 42 base 4 digits originally, you now have 84 base 4 digits. For 10 turns, you now have 420 base 4 digits. Therefore, you have 4^420 possible move combinations in 10 turns.

For reference, that's over 10^252 possible games. Assuming that we have 100000 super active players who play 1000 matches per day, each, against special bots who always use completely random moves and also play 1000 matches per day, which comes out to 36.5 billion matches per year, it would take us over 10^239 MILLENIA to have explored every move. That's also assuming we DON'T reuse ANY. Ever.

For reference, the universe is expected to last 10^100 years or so. That's a difference of 152 orders of magnitude. Alternatively, look at that as one number being multiplied with the other and 100 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000. That should be 152 zeroes. Feel free to count for verification, but even if there's not, add on a few more.

This is also for a single game mode.

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