Originally Posted by MrJingles

But what about the people saying that the Turkish Government does regular oil deals with Isis?

http://www.ibtimes.com/turkey-buying...market-2198214

http://www.infowars.com/turkey-threa...et-shoot-down/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...plane-analysis

https://www.rt.com/business/323391-i...turkey-russia/


While the people of Turkey may not support the DAES, its highly likely there are many among them who buy oil from the DAES as they are so close and many of these images reveal. I'm not saying that they are the only ones, but one of many. Even though it is not directly supporting ISIS, oil is where they get the majority of their money from. And as such any who buy their oil indirectly supports ISIS.


Who's to say whos media is correct on these matters? Everyone has a bias and reporters know this and will write accordingly in accordance to how the government wants its people to feel. We cannot just claim one's more accurate than then other. Who's to say they are not both wrong?

Also not sure why you need to increase the size of your font and bold things, it takes away from your points and its pretty ugly to look at tbh.

Who's to say they are not both wrong?

Originally Posted by IBlackleon

You both don't have any clue what the terrorism is. In west countries there's a perception if you are against government and system it makes you terrorist.That's completely wrong. Because right people become terrorists when terrorists take over the city.
Esad is a dictator. You cant call the civils in Syria terrorists because they are against the government. Syrian Government kill everyone against their ideas. They bomb their own cities. So people trying to get their freedom aren't terrorists

People who are running out of their country because of Fucking Government and "fake-islamic" terrorist groups, are unarmed. And Russia works with Syrian Government to kill both ISIS and civils at the same time. To clear that area and make some places for them to get a more strategic location.

You aren't even close to there. Do you think the things you read and watch are truth? How would you think Beşşar Esad is right? Is that because he does what is beneficial for your countries? Is Turkmens and ISIS same for you? Forget about this. Try to learn more than what media shows you. Remove that big horse winkers

Originally Posted by Hyde

Posting in size 50 font doesn't make you right

But if I'm right this makes you focus on the font size and complain about it. I'm trying to break what they put in your broken brains because its not true. Start thinking objective/non-beneficial.

The path of the aircraft is included in the article http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24...ns-ruaf-su-24/

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that it was anything but a rash and stupid action on behalf of the ottoman horde

bla bla...


This is OBJECTIVE data that even the most defiant turk can't ignore and cast aside as subjective because they're too busy whacking off to pictures of eyes and not eating bacon

Its Arabs, not Turkish people. You show how ignorant you are. Thank you

The audio cannot be confirmed, but seeing as no turk aircraft came to escort the plane or even check if the crew is alive, this is a war crime.

Even in the link you gave there's warning sound shared at the bottom of page. Also THIS. Turkey f16 pilots repeat this 10 times every 30 seconds for 5 mins. Standart warning distance is 10km but f-16 pilots started warning at 15km. US confirmed this. Russian bombers still ignore. Yeah they cant tell the truth. That's normal.


Also, the turkmen brigade are by definition terrorists. The turkmen came to Syria for the sole purpose of ousting Assad. They have been known to carry out lethal attacks in damascus against civilians. They are also armed and trained by Turkey, and directly oppose and attack the kurds who you claimed were brothers in this. The turks and basically all the other people in the region hate the kurds, the kurds have the sole opposition to ISIS on the ground. Turkey supports ISIS against the kurds and has bombed kurdish positions in the past, because Turkey dreads the creation of a kurdish state.

Turkmens aren't terrorists. If you think they are your definition about terrorist is wrong. Assad works for other countries. He's a traitor. He does split Muslims as Sunni and Shiite. That makes people against him.

I am a Kurd myself. The people who says we are Kurds and joins PKK are actually Armenians. Kurds aren't PKK. Selahattin Demirtaş, Abdullah Ocalan all of these are sons of Armenian bitches. I would like to see ISIS and PKK destroying each other. But there's no reason to support one of them.

If you don't believe what I have said, feel free to read these articles with valid and objective views on Erdogan's position

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...is-opportunism
http://www.businessinsider.com/links...eniable-2015-7
http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...ia-pkk/408988/

*Sided Media Alert*

"Turkey is never on the side of tension or hostility. We're always for peace and diplomacy. And we will maintain that attitude. We will not tolerate our borders being violated. And no one should expect us to," Erdogan said.

"We do not have any intension to escalate any situation, we are only defending our security," he added.


You said that Russia are not fighting ISIS, yet Russia has destroyed large amount of their infrastructure and have brought their nation-state to their knees in just weeks
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/11/...e-strikes.html
http://anonhq.com/putin-pounds-jrucks-in-syria/

I'm not quite sure what you want the Russians to do other than send ground troops in(which they are already doing btw). The turkmen scum and the fsa are terrorists and contain active members of al qaeda/nusra/other various terrorist organizations.

You're defending the indefensible.


You are trying to make defensible indefensible.

Ground troops are for cleaning the area from Turkmens for Esad. Not for cleaning ISIS. Because even ISIS goes there and instead of fighting against Esad they fight against Turkmens.


As far as I'm concerned, you're an ISIS/Turk shill