sexuality isn't a constant thing, people hop sides all the time. please dont start labelling particular children as gay when they aren't even sexually active. don't forget that kids don't care about sex until around when they go through puberty.
maybe there are detectable differences in a child's development or its brain that can suggest a higher likelihood of being gay but you cannot know for sure. alot of adults who identify as gay don't even know their sexuality for certain and probably will try our alternatives.

I don't even think this topic is worth discussing

Your sexual orientation is created by and stored by the brain/DNA, i am sure we can all agree on that.

The brain and your DNA are fluid, constantly changing and growing chemically and physically every moment due to an infinite amount of factors, this has been scientifically proven for many years.


It would make sense then, that your sexuality is fluid and can change over time, due to an infinite amount of factors.

Therefore, it only makes sense that your brain's make-up/DNA at birth AND lifestyle both play a role in your sexuality.

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I don't know who's ass you pulled that from, but wow. That's one hell of a misinterpretation. The primary change that occurs in DNA over time is from degradation and various mutations. The brain doesn't "change" beyond a certain age either. It is in a development phase up until your mid twenties, after which starts the slow process of degradation.

The implications of what you claimed are absolutely hilarious. DNA shifted boys, i'm a ginger now.

There is no such thing as a "fluid" sexuality(as much as tumblr would like to disagree). People fuck whatever they find attractive, sexual orientation is a descriptive pattern. As much as you want it to be something special, it really isn't. Considering yourself to be a wakaflockasexual yesterday and a shinigamiXDsexual today just means you weren't loved enough as a child and act out for attention. Nothing else.

im not saying that you will just change over night and become a ginger (although it may have sounded like that) or that your sexuality will change every day "people fuck whatever they find attractive" is what im trying to explain by saying fluid, the gender doesnt matter. also, i am sure the brain changes after the development phase which could cause changes in what we find attractive.

considering science cant describe much of anything about DNA or Brains means that there is no real way to prove a single claim on this thread. might as well close it now before a religous war is bred, lol.

Yeah, not closing it. There's no 'religious war' brewing here, and if people go off-topic and start talking about whether homosexuality is good or bad then I'll delete their posts and have them infracted.

The thread goes on!

To interject very quickly (I'm on mobile I don't have enough time to format a larger post)

Just in hopes to keep conversation flowing - if homosexuality is a choice like many of you claim why don't you just choose to stop being straight? Why can't you do that but gay people are the ones making the choice. If it's a choice why can't you make that choice?

Furthermore, why would anyone choice to be gay in societies where you are sentenced to death for homosexuality. That makes absolutely no sense.

Michael G DuPree has a really comprehensive paper on the possibility of homosexuality being an inherited characteristic, it's pretty heavy though

Essentially, scientists have no idea whether homosexuality is inherited or not. The homosexual phenotype, if genetic, looks most likely to be from a combination of genetic influences (i.e. not 1 particular gene), so it doesn't seem that surprising that a lot of people seem unsure of their sexuality, especially at a young age while the brain is still developing. Scientists are also beginning to appreciate the importance of epigenetics in the presentation of phenotypes (epigenetics is a fairly new area of research suggesting that DNA isn't solely responsible for inherited characteristics, other factors play a role such as the way the DNA strands arrange themselves in chromosomes, which can be affected by periods of high stress etc), which makes this mystery even more mysterious. We're even beginning to rethink natural selection in light of epigenetic research of species which appear to have evolved far quicker than Darwin would have predicted (irrelevant to this topic but quite interesting regardless).

In one of the rare occasions I agree with Immortalpig, this topic is rife with confirmation bias on both sides of the debate. I don't think my response has confirmation bias but it's very possible it does.

Having said all this, I don't agree at all with the contention that homosexuality is a 'choice' (although I suppose this depends how you define choice), although I don't think anyone here is actually on the other side of that argument.

I do also agree with Hyde's 'People fuck whatever they find attractive, sexual orientation is a descriptive pattern'. Very eloquently put.

Exactly what I was going to say. But you have to think about it like that. Try getting turned on by gay porn. If you are truly all the way straight. It's not going to work. Samething for people who are homosexual, but watching straight. It's not going to work. If the world was inverted, I believe you would want straight marriage to be legal.

And I don't see why not. They aren't putting anyone in danger. So why have such a big issue on it? Homosexual people have nothing against people being straight. So why be against them? Honestly, it should have never been something illegal. Because it's something so stupid to ban, in this day of age.

While I don't support the stance, I believe that one of the most convincing (still don't support it though) arguments made by these sorts of people is that it is something you can control. A smoker will always be attracted to cancer sticks, but we can still campaign to get the to quit. If you are religious then you might be trying to save the souls of these people. Even if it should not be illegal (under the same logic of not hurting anyone but themselves), I can see why you would try to persuade homosexuals to either become celibate or go to somewhere which could change their orientation. With enough brainwashing (bit too strong a word, but "therapy" is far too weak) you can most likely learn to stop liking (or start liking) just about anything.

One example of something which you might view as wrong, but which does little harm to anyone but yourself is animated abusive child pornography in Japan, which is still legal. While arguably it is less healthy than homosexuality (both for the culture and the person), it is still not causing physical harm to anyone and is something which should be equally hard to change. There are obviously large differences in terms of the possibility of realisation of these fantasies being illegal and harmful, but I feel it is similar enough to be worth some thought as a parallel.

So, you can be "brainwashed" into liking the same sex as well? Eh, I guess so. But why would it matter? They aren't hurting anyone for being homosexual. I can't see how you can control this. The only way is through inhuman works of torture. You have to get inside their head and practically make them lose their minds. Make them "break" or "crack" as you could say. This isn't something meant to be controlled.